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"Mean tweets" and incitement to commit violence are mutually exclusive.
So you're saying a tweet inciting violence isn't mean.
He doesn't know what "mutually exclusive" means, he just heard someone say it.
UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
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Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#192In 2023, the number of people arrested for online comments: UK (12,183), Belarus (6,205), Germany (3,500), China (1,500). How do people in the UK defend this? I consider myself a liberal and to defend this government is a level of hypocrisy so beyond the pale. Am I being reactionary here? Are things actually not that bad in the UK?
I don't believe for one second that only 1500 people in China were arrested for online comments any more than I would believe the same statistic from Russia
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So yes, if you interpret some random bill amendment in whatever way favors your side, That is how laws often get interpreted. It gives the decision to a police officer. Do you think the police officer will ever make a decision which does not favour their side?
Police officers don't interpret the law, the courts do.
Only if you really want to nitpick the phrasing. In practice there's for example "means such area as the senior police officer considers appropriate" - the officer here has to interpret what is meant by this request and gets to choose.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Critiquing Israel as well as any political or religious entity or set of beliefs should be allowed, or there will be problems. This is basically the Paradox of Tolerance coupled with the fact that intolerance itself seems to be a viral meme if left unchecked. I still can't believe the UK has arrested people based on their social media posts. Why are people standing for that, over there? (I'm a US citizen.) Meanwhile,…
I can't tell or not, but are you aware that the US has deported/arrested thousands of people for their social media posts?
These are very different situations.
In the US it is typically that someone on a visa has supported a terrorist group or advocated for violence.
In the UK it is rather that a British citizen is visited by the police because someone else has stated they find a piece of content offensive.
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#195Why is it my earlier comment with so many upvotes got [flagged] ? Is it because I mentioned the entity name? Here is the comment: "It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly sh…
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
German here, which entity is that?
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Your comment was flagged by community members, most likely for being flamebait, which is explicitly against the guidelines. The Israel/Palestine topic is discussed extensively on HN each time there is a major breaking story with significant new information. Dang and I have gone to great efforts to create space for these discussions and keep them as healthy as possible [1]. Some posts about the topic get flagged by some community members for being off-topic or likely to start flamewars, but this has nothing to do with 'silencing' any particular viewpoint. HN isn't the place for day-to-day political debate, regardless of the specific topic. That's been the consensus for many years.
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#197Why is it my earlier comment with so many upvotes got [flagged] ? Is it because I mentioned the entity name? Here is the comment: "It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly sh…
You mention the rogue genocidal state in a negative comment in any platform under the "free world" control and you get cancelled for balsphemy right away.
War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is power.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can give you many reasons, but I am afraid my comment will be flagged. Some of them: * Israel is losing support across the world, because now it can't control the narrative, before it was able, people thought journalism exist, now we see it doesn't, and we are witnessing 2 different narratives in the media vs social networks * EU and US politicians took money from relevant lobby entities (or as we should call it: b…
Israel is losing support because Iran is so good at controlling the narrative. Basically all reporting from Gaza is effectively terrorist controlled. Simple test: every single example shown of someone starving was actually of a medical nature. Since they couldn't find an actual starving person to point a camera at why do you think any existed?
Because it was mentioned here that Israel needed to behave like the US in occupied Germany, I look up the numbers and while Israel was starving Palestinians Israel was providing more calories per person than the USA did for Germany.
BTW, the United Nations, which said it had food for the Palestinian to bring the calorie number up, is feeding the Sudan refugees 1/3 of the calories the USA provided to Germans after WW2, and much less than Israel supplied Gaza. But no one cares about the people the UN is starving (remember, the UN had extra calories and foods it begged to get into Gaza). No protests. No fundraisers.
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#199Theres so many times I've written a comment, only to delete it on HN. Not because of being afraid of government censorship, but because of the sheer futility of fighting peoples faith and outmoded ideas of how our market place of ideas works. Counter speech, is NOT working. "the best ideas rise to the top" is untrue. We don't have an information economy, we have a content economy. Its the equivalent of the junk food…
> We don't have an information economy, we have a content economy. We actually seem to have attention economy, that is the really valuable thing, not content. Mostly it's important what catches our attention first. This is also why counter speech does not work - it does not come first. > If you want a market place of ideas, you have to figure out how to ensure its a FAIR market place. Yes and that is obviously not po…
For the sake of my analogy, the issue I am focusing on is that we tend to think in terms of Information, when in reality (especially with GenAI) the fundamental unit of transaction is content. Information is content with a flag.
I found more traction shifting to thinking of content as the core unit of transaction, and attention the fuel burnt to consume content.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Ireland opposition to the ongoing Genocide in Palestine is a wholly secular and humanitarian concern, divorced entirely from any correlation with race, religion, ethos or creed - despite agitators attempts to label it to the contrary. We are, however, unique in Western Europe in this regard - but it is not a mono-culture and the reasons are very contextual. While Germany is not an advocate of genocide in any sense…
You mean the Ireland that wanted to redefine "genocide" so they could call the war genocide? Thus the government that knew it was not genocide. Sorry, but war in urban areas is extremely ugly. That does not make it genocide. As for apartheid South Africa--look at the reality. Their revolution was jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Just because the new oppressors were of the same skin color doesn't make them not…
Pretty telling that you couldn't resist doing apartheid apologia and Zionism in the same comment.