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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

wow even a grain? you must really love your freedom

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

#202

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> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

The lack of digital ID is a huge problem in many domains and enables a lot of scams and crime in the first place.

Requiring identification in situations that don't need it is where the problems start, but that's possible with analog IDs as well, and is often even worse there (since these provide neither security against digital copies, nor privacy, which digital ID can, e.g. via zero knowledge proofs).

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

The problem iscontrolling people at intimate thought level. Sure education is part of it. But state controlled device tracking everything they say, where they go and who they are exchanging with is also a tool to leverage on in that perspective.

IMO the goal is a bit different. It'd be just way too much data to track people successfully, even with on-device filtering, especially because everyone with ill intentions would just use non-backdoored devices for their malicious activities.

A much more achievable goal is digging up dirt on specific people and opponents. In the end governments can struggle to justify how they got their hands on info about an affair you had or that you shocked dogs ~~on stream~~.

Such device backdoors are just a get-out-court-free card and a way for the media to justify not asking any serious questions.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Isn't one of the largest payment processors in the world made by the Indian Government? Personally I wouldn't risk my personal digital privacy on the incompetence of the government. I'd assume the opposite.

Not really, UPI is developed and operated by several large banks. Maybe you were thinking about PIX in Brazil which is developed and operated by their central bank.

I thought it was made by NPCI, which is owned by RBI, AND the IBA. It is ultimately a government organisation.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't one of the largest payment processors in the world made by the Indian Government? Personally I wouldn't risk my personal digital privacy on the incompetence of the government. I'd assume the opposite.

Not really, UPI is developed and operated by several large banks. Maybe you were thinking about PIX in Brazil which is developed and operated by their central bank.

No. UPI. It's an initiative by the Indian government.

It's controlled by the RBI, just through a complex public-private corporate structure through NPCI.

UPI is much larger and more international than PIX. It's currently processing iirc something like 200 billion transactions. UPI is also used in several countries, France being among the most recent examples.

As such UPI has a broader scope than PIX and requires a public-private corporate structure with stakeholders from both sides.

But this is off topic. The competence of the Indian government to at the very minimum partner with Industry shows that such software preloaded on phones is a threat to the civil liberties of people that the State shouldn't encroach on. This is a violation of individual privacy.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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It's funny how it's all rolling out right around the same time. Almost like they get together and plot this stuff at big meetings multiple times a year, where they get lavish meals and entertainment, get wined and dined by the rich and elite, and... well. Must be good to be kings. It's really 4 horsemen of the infocalypse garbage being trotted out, and the general population is clueless and credulous. "They're in cha…

>"They're in charge, surely they must know what they're doing! They wouldn't lie to us! Literally nobody thinks that. Unfortunately most people don't have the time or energy to fight every emerging attack on freedom. Everything is going to plan for the billionaire class. Eventually everything will burn, only time will tell if it will be from global warming or food riots.

Most average people assume competence and good faith from people in charge. Most people don't question, aren't skeptical, and go through life in a fog. That's not most people here, but it's like Gell-Mann amnesia applied to politics. 99% of the time, when politicians put forth a plan to do things in a domain you're competent in, they look like morons. It's exceedingly rare for them to do things well.

People trust elected officials, they trust institutions, they trust "experts", the media, the academics. A vast majority of people don't realize the scale of ineptitude amongst the people who wield power. Most of the "elites" are not overqualified geniuses, but instead average bumbling idiots who stumbled their way into office, or sociopaths, or physically attractive. Most political systems do not reward competence and diligence.

You could swap out all 535 congress people in the US for randomly selected citizens and I guarantee you that outcomes would improve. Things are going so badly because they're intended to go badly, because unethical people wield power for self enrichment and cronyism. The purpose of a system is what it does.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Want to check number of SIMs in your name? Download Sanchar Saathi to check:Links to Play store and App Store. Department of Telecom

I was getting these messages for sometime and installed it finally. It is the same app that is mentioned in the article. My phone is already in the system then.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

#209

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

Well, we are talking about a government that declared 95% currency in circulation as invalid to nullify “black money” and rationed out currency for months. Currently they are doing an electoral list validation by asking everyone to submit a form so they can keep their voting rights. The policies are made with a strong “ruler” attitude.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

#210

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

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