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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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ref: "the new tobacco" this last year i'm seeing very concerning behavior in students in the 14-20 range. complete addiction to their phones. very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed. similar to how when i started noticing anime girlfriends/waifus in 2016. about 40% are deep in discord communities where i literally cannot figure out a single sentence of what they're talking about. if s…

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Sir Humphrey Applebee, 1773.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Is it your view that no-one should ever be arrested for anything they say, in any context? > There has to be a line. Where do you draw the line?

I'd like to think that we all agree that you would be arrested for saying things in person (hate crimes, etc) would be the same things you'd be arrested for saying online... i'd place the line about there. However, there are cases which do cross the line... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dj1zlvxglo

> we all agree that you would be arrested for saying things in person (hate crimes, etc) would be the same things you'd be arrested for saying online..

And that’s where you’d be wrong - lots of us belief that speech should not be a cause for arrest except in the most extreme circumstances. Hurting someone’s feelings is not that

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> Do they actually have a choice? Yes. Apple's revenues are half as much as the government of India's [1][2]. That's a resource advantage that gives Cupertino real leverage against New Delhi. [1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-reports-fourth-... $102.5bn / quarter [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_governmen... $827bn / year

Apple need India though. They’re moving a lot of their manufacturing there to derisk from a China. Also, they gave in to the CCP and always say ‘we obey the laws of the countries in which we operate’. Apple is, at the end of the day, just a business.

"Leave us alone or we'll cancel our plans and move somewhere else"

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

the fact that this is being done privately shows they know it's dirty and immoral.

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> Apple need India though. They’re moving a lot of their manufacturing there to derisk from a China That creates obligations both ways. Put another way, Apple is an increasingly-major employer in India. The real carrot New Delhi has is its growing middle class. The real carrot Apple has is its aspirational branding. > they gave in to the CCP and always say ‘we obey the laws of the countries in which we operate' Apple…

I fear (Apple) will do something that allows the government to do what it wants (with a bit more work) without explicitly installing something. For example, with the UK encryption debacle, Apple removed Advanced Data Protections (e2e encryption) for iCloud users in the UK. So users' notes, photos, emails are possibly open.

> fear will do something that allows the government to do what it wants (with a bit more work) without explicitly installing something

Why this isn’t being done at the SIM/baseband level is beyond me.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

The arrest is the punishment. Here is a man getting arrested and subsequently harassed by the Police for 13 weeks for just posting a picture of himself with a shotgun in America. https://archive.is/bH56T

We’re basically seeing this story through media summaries and Richelieu-Booth’s own account, which means the narrative reflects either what he says happened or brief police statements. There’s very little publicly available that allows anyone to independently confirm or contradict either side.

Stories like this are designed to provoke a reaction, but the truth could be far more mundane: he might be a completely unreasonable person who was genuinely stalking someone, and police might have had credible concerns. We simply don’t have the full picture.

For balance, West Yorkshire Police do have a reputation for being heavy handed. the same force that used drones during Covid to shame people walking alone on the moors.

My point is: this isn’t solid evidence of Orwellian decline. It’s difficult to draw sweeping conclusions about Britain from a single case built on incomplete information and media amplification.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed ... say goodbye to the cognitive ability of a large chunk of future generations I would think very deep interests in niche or obscure topics is correlated with increased cognitive ability, not a decrease.

anime waifus?

> very deep interests in things i was completely unaware that they existed

That's just a symptom of getting old. Young people always find stuff that baffles adults. When I was a teenager, Anime itself was like this - just being "into" anime was considered some kind of bizarre, obscure affectation by adults.

I think smartphones present real challenges (and I don't get how/why they're allowed in schools), but a lot of what you're describing is normal.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

> These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech and unwanted communication

All of these attempts to "debunk" this statistic feel like they're missing the mark. How did the UK get a point where planning terrorism and making mean comments online go into the same statistic for arrests? Does it not seem strange that the second half of that list is worthy of arrest?

> If you look at convictions, only 137 people were actually sentenced in 2024.

This, again, does not help. Being arrested isn't a casual thing. It threatens everything from your job to your reputation and your relationships, even if you aren't convicted.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

#139

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls Good one. Do you see how dumb the average consumer is? They don't know or care even if you try to educate them.

Considering that AI companies are strategically/financially in the same position as other market cornering companies like uber, imagine how much dumber things can get.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

It also includes traveling to the United States where gun ownership is legal, and posting a picture of yourself holding a gun.

This comment is getting downvoted, but another comment provide a real source for this having happened to someone: https://archive.is/bH56T
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