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Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

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Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

#11
> So there's nuance here. Let's define "Aliens" as "non human sentiences". Personally, I think ET hypothesis is valid. Maybe you feel UT (ultra-terrestrial) hypothesis makes more sesne. Or "ED" ( extra-dimensional, as opposed to "from another planet/galaxy").

The most prominent are the greys which are I) extrasolar in origin as they themselves cannot remember which star system they are from, their kind has been wandering for over a million years. II) form our future, they found Earth nuclear annihilate (America and Russia did it, China never had a chance to launch). They came back in time to investigate and change things. They did. That future is no longer possible.

> Facts: there's abundance of testimony that would secure conviction in court regarding abductions, encounters (of variosu "kinds"), and "multi-sensor data".

Abductions are 100% human or lies. The grays have absolutely never “abducted” anyone (they can read both your DNA and your thoughts through the hyperdimensional entanglement of consciousness, they have no need. Before modernity, the simple people they contacted and presented themselves to treated them like they were gods, or spirits from other planes. They don’t “explain” themselves in very much detail as those minds would not understand much. Steve Bannon’s America pretends to fire hellfire missiles at them to convince congress to fund more advanced weapons research.

> Truth is, it goes back centuries, before we could concievably have "RE'd" (reverse-engineered) anything similar. So there has to be something external to our current human civilization (not so surprising, how can you explain how megalithic 100-ton bricks structures were build by "primitives").

Well, that was men with math and engineering tbh. The greys have been around for 10,000 years now and the indigenous glyphs visible from the air have more to do with those.

> Yes, this is "provocative" (perhaps) for some on HN. That's the point. not adversarial, but simply to "provoke" a thought - rather, a question - "what is" the nature of reality?

Word!

> The existence of a "higher"/superior/more technological sentient intelligence interacting with us and our planet is a natural pairing with that question.

Yes, you may not believe this, though there are over 500,000 humans who have the ability to travel around our minds “hyperdimensionally”, and many of them hate the greys for “exposing” their treachery. You’ve heard this before.

> Belief is important. Because, your personal experience constitutes, for others, a belief. And that's much of the "evidence" we have.

Thoughts feelings and beliefs are the enemy of truth, principles, and free humanity. Thoughts feelings and beliefs are an invisible prison for the mind.

> Trend seems clear in gestalt: disclsoure is coming. So I ask here to take the pulse of this "intellectual/technical/curious/secular" (corase categroties) community. Do you believe this is real? If so, why? If not, why not?

More and more parts of the government are being “let in” to this new secret. The real secret is the Americans who have developed this Power to move among minds for lawless purposes. These are convincing the government the aliens are bad. Lawless deceptive Americans are bad.

> If we were to get "DISCLOSURE" (ie, the "government authroity" of a "respect country" stating unequivocally that the reality of "alien" contact is true) woudl your ontology/worldview be "shattered" or "robust", or "otehr"?

I laugh at you. They’re nice, pacifist (thank whichever God you believe in.) the real story is Power, to navigate minds and create hyperdimensional inner worlds through the technology of consciousness. That is bad ass.

> *why so many "airquotes"?

What is that?

> Basically this post is to serve as a historical marker for taking the temperature of a significant collective in the "pre-disclosure" era. So this is your chance to record your official viewpoint, before it all comes down. What you say?

They actually communicate with many thousands of modern people (through our minds, even our dreams.) they’re really worried about us, though their time frames are in the hundreds or thousands of years, human lives go by for them in a blink (although the greys don’t blink, they don’t have eye lids.)

> I am very interested.

You know what they say about the cat!

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

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I believe UFOs are mostly an op to intimidate foreign governments, i.e. US trying to say to China “hey we got some stuff you’ve never heard seen” so as to introduce uncertainty into their war games. They aren’t to demonstrate power; they are to introduce a mix of confusion and intimidation. I’m also not saying that all the reports are fake: i believe most of the witness and testimony are being honest. But just because you’re being honest doesn’t mean what you saw or were told are not the cogs of an intelligence operation.

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

#13
There are countless examples of people finding evidence of ancient peoples who were capable of great engineering feats like pyramids and other structures with simple tools and techniques. To state that aliens must have played in their construction is, to put it mildly, arrogant. (I'm a lot of cases, culturally chauvinistic and/or racist)

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

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” how can you explain how megalithic 100-ton bricks structures were build by "primitives"”

How can you explain we can today build structures that are 800m tall or reroute rivers?

Honestly, good ol human craftsmanship multiplied by available labour combined with ’basic’ geometry gets you really, really far.

Industrial processes don’t require individual craftmanship because it does not scale with the speed and velocity required by markets and capital. Hence if you don’t actually care about building stuff you may think people unassisted with industrial machinery would be much more incapable than they really are.

Humans are friggin talented.

My opinion is that said structures are made by humans - a function of basic human psychology, times population, time surrounding available resources. You don’t need to add alien intelligences to the equation.

And aliens per your description - not that interested really because it sounds more like religious conspiracy theories than something actually profoun.

I’m pretty sure there’s life out there (i mean basic chemistry right) but I’m not so sure if it’s anything that would travel here intentionally or that it would have anything to say to us.

I would be happy to be wrong! That’s the most interesting outcome always.

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good viewpoint, too. But it would be good to canvas a range of views from more than 1 country (for example, more than just China). There's some kind of a "evidence problem" where we rely on a single-source for "evidence" (the government), while discounting "evidence" from testimony/imagery from rando people (even before AI). Same time, your point touches a key issue: if you don't have experience yourself, n…

> There's some kind of a "evidence problem" where we rely on a single-source for "evidence" (the government), while discounting "evidence" from testimony/imagery from rando people (even before AI). Real evidence isn't dependent on the source. It can be evaluated objectively. > if you don't have experience yourself, no matter what external "proof", you may not believe it. Which is fine, and valid I think. I disagree,…

Ok, then you disempower your own experience and outsource authority to a (collective) externality? If you are comfortable with that trade, I get it. I am just more in favor of individual autonomy/sovereignty.

However, focusing on a sophist "objective materialism" vs "subjective epistemology" distracts from the core issue: what is happening? and what do you believe?

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

#17
post #8

I doubt it, for a start there's about 1.5 trillion days such a visit or occupation could have fallen on so the odds of it being any time this millennium or the last hundred are practically zero.

Good point. If it were targeting sentient life, that reduces the improbability somewhat.

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

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post #12

I believe UFOs are mostly an op to intimidate foreign governments, i.e. US trying to say to China “hey we got some stuff you’ve never heard seen” so as to introduce uncertainty into their war games. They aren’t to demonstrate power; they are to introduce a mix of confusion and intimidation. I’m also not saying that all the reports are fake: i believe most of the witness and testimony are being honest. But just becaus…

This is something good to keep in mind, and under-appreciated. A kind of meta exo-geo-political calculus.

Re: Ask HN: Do you believe aliens are visiting Earth?

#20
post #15

No. The timespan of the whole of Humanity will be just a mere blip in the billions of years the universe will exist. The universe is unimaginably big. The spotlight effect is strong here.

But if they were targeting sentient life, then no?
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