Analyzing this problem, I think it can be attributed to widespread plagiarism in engineering schools in India. In the US, plagiarism is dealt with severely and can even lead to expulsion. This forces Indian students who used to indulge in malpractices in their undergrad to put on their thinking hats for once and be creative, for the fear of expulsion(which would be a disaster after so much preparation). Thats when one realizes the consequences of ones action. Such a system should be enforced in colleges in India.
In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
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Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
#12Actually I posted this article not because I wanted to point out how bad Indian students are. Not all Indian students do this. And the Indian market is a usual mix of people of various kinds- Awesome, good, bad, horrible and even clueless people like this. What I wanted to point out was how things work out in the real world. The thumb rule for describing these sort of things in India is the saying 'No good deed goes…
I find the tone of your comment condescending. It almost seems like you have some sort of a grudge against people who managed to go to the US. Your tone reflects this: "working today in the US and probably will end up being US citizens." So? And what kind of a generalization are making here anyways? You are meaning to say: "All people who did this cleared GRE/ GMAT and went to the USA". That's a gross overstatement b…
Kamaal, Do you get frustrated because you don't think you are paid as much as you should be? Or, that the business people shouldn't be paid as much as the technical guys? If it is the latter, there is no respite, and you should probably do what others do.
First of all, you are in your own country, and you are welcome to leave the job anytime you want. ANYTIME. If you think you are overworked you don't have to put up with it, you just move on. There is no shortage of software jobs in India, and if you are as technical as you say you are, you shouldn't have any problem finding one.
Secondly, are you an engineer because you like it, or you do it to satisfy your ego, or differentiate yourself, or because you worked so hard until now that you can't give up? If it is for any other reasons than the first one, take a good hard look at yourself. It probably is not worth being frustrated all your life for anything. Life is short, and you should not do disservice to yourself. Don't buy into the hype created by society for serving its own selfish reasons. Yeah, it is great if you invented an algorithm that solves a problem in half the time, but recognize that in itself it is meaningless to your life unless you enjoy it. Don't, please don't do it because everyone says so-and-so thing is great.
Thirdly, I don't know how you would do it, but please don't let others recognition of you define your happiness. Do it by keeping away from people who cause all the negativity or learn to ignore them. You are your own person, and you should do everything to serve yourself better and keep yourself happy.
PS: I am a desi living in the US from quite a while now. I felt the same frustration you feel now. It is quite a journey to get out of it, but you should not stay where you are
PPS: You are not responsible for the world. The world is a unjust place and is what it is. Learn to live with it. It is not going to be "your" problem in a few short years anyways.
Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
#13Actually I posted this article not because I wanted to point out how bad Indian students are. Not all Indian students do this. And the Indian market is a usual mix of people of various kinds- Awesome, good, bad, horrible and even clueless people like this. What I wanted to point out was how things work out in the real world. The thumb rule for describing these sort of things in India is the saying 'No good deed goes…
I know a guy who was quite dedicated with his project and though he didn't get good marks ( project )or awesome campus placement, he got into AMD later as a new grad. ( w.r.t placement ).
Our team did some work on compiler ( source to source translation ) which is pretty unknown in my college and even the guys who make project for cash won't take it as they prefer easy cash :P
At the end it all depends whether the guy has a hungry mind or chooses the easy path.
Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
#14This is another way of paying for a qualification that you don't deserve, and in doing so it dilutes the standard of graduates. I've heard personally from an Indian friend that this is very common - and is the reason that he came to Australia to study.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find the tone of your comment condescending. It almost seems like you have some sort of a grudge against people who managed to go to the US. Your tone reflects this: "working today in the US and probably will end up being US citizens." So? And what kind of a generalization are making here anyways? You are meaning to say: "All people who did this cleared GRE/ GMAT and went to the USA". That's a gross overstatement b…
Lol. I think he is frustrated. First you get frustrated, then you accept it, and then you laugh at people who are frustrated .. LOLOL.. Just kidding. Kamaal, Do you get frustrated because you don't think you are paid as much as you should be? Or, that the business people shouldn't be paid as much as the technical guys? If it is the latter, there is no respite, and you should probably do what others do. First of all,…
The other way. Technical guys must be paid what they deserve.
I don't know why you think I'm frustrated. And if you feel things are good as they are in India, then I rest my case.
I have no intentions of immigrating to US. Especially when there is so much growth in India and I have so much to benefit from, besides I don't feel coming to US alone will magically transform my career and make a billionaire. If working hard is what it takes to be successful, I might very well do it here rather than the US. Also immigrating to US means spending a long process to get green card and citizenship which translates to >10 years dependency on corporate sponsorship. And there is little logic in living hand to mouth just because you can get a citizen ship there, while you can have it all here now.
Besides India is awesome these days. I see nothing that I'm missing by not being in the US. Travel for a visit is a different thing, but setting down in US is something I don't feel is worth at this time.
But I respect your decisions. And I'm sure you have your own reasons. And I wish you all the very best.
Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
#16Actually I posted this article not because I wanted to point out how bad Indian students are. Not all Indian students do this. And the Indian market is a usual mix of people of various kinds- Awesome, good, bad, horrible and even clueless people like this. What I wanted to point out was how things work out in the real world. The thumb rule for describing these sort of things in India is the saying 'No good deed goes…
So in the name of smart work, technical career has no growth path That doesn't quite make sense. Wouldn't technical work be the "smart" work?
Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
#17This is another way of paying for a qualification that you don't deserve, and in doing so it dilutes the standard of graduates. I've heard personally from an Indian friend that this is very common - and is the reason that he came to Australia to study.
The situation in Australia is hardly any different. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/uni-cheats-...
Re: In India, engineering students outsource their academic projects
#18Actually I posted this article not because I wanted to point out how bad Indian students are. Not all Indian students do this. And the Indian market is a usual mix of people of various kinds- Awesome, good, bad, horrible and even clueless people like this. What I wanted to point out was how things work out in the real world. The thumb rule for describing these sort of things in India is the saying 'No good deed goes…
So in the name of smart work, technical career has no growth path That doesn't quite make sense. Wouldn't technical work be the "smart" work?
Its not very financially rewarding. And when you see the guy next to you making big bucks by just asking for status updates, forwarding mails and changing cells on excel sheets. You begin to wonder if its worth it.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The situation in Australia is hardly any different. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/uni-cheats-...
No doubt - there's cheats everywhere... but I don't think its near the scale of India.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The situation in Australia is hardly any different. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/uni-cheats-...
No doubt - there's cheats everywhere... but I don't think its near the scale of India.