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UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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There is probably a legitimate basis for some powers against actual foreign intelligence operations. But the proposals in the article defining "subversion" to include environmental activism, independence movements, or criticism of UK policy show how quickly these things expand beyond their original scope. The Terrorism Act was meant to exclude domestic activists but two decades later it has been used against protest…

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Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Of course, combined with Digital ID that will track your movements and what you say, this is a logical next step to achieve total control of the population. Funny that nobody mentions that these things are not actually coming from government, but were lobbied by asset managers and big corporations. This is text book fascism (marriage of big corporations and government). Nobody voted for this.

The Bourgeois have voted for this. Know your enemy.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. Ironically, the party most likely to abolish such laws is probably Reform. Tories have done approximately nothing, Labour is an old mother lode of speech policing and the Greens with all their postmodern sensitivities plus deference to Islam don't look particularly promising as well. Once upon a time, Lib Dems were strong on civic freedoms... but I can't remember them doing anything in this regard during the Cam…

> but I can't remember them doing anything in this regard during the Cameron coalition government. Does anyone remember them doing anything other than apologising for going against their election pledge about tuition fees and losing the electoral reform referendum?

Raising the tax thresholds was a Lib Dem policy.

They also stopped the introduction of compulsory id cards.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Six months ago five members of a group called Palestinian Action broke into an RAF base and spray painted two refueling planes involved in surveillance of Gaza. They were charged with a crime.

Then, mainly because of this, the group Palestinan Action was classified as a terrorist group. Since the thousands of people have been arrested in the UK for support of terrorism, for holding signs that say "I support Palestinian Action" and the like.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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post #70

There is probably a legitimate basis for some powers against actual foreign intelligence operations. But the proposals in the article defining "subversion" to include environmental activism, independence movements, or criticism of UK policy show how quickly these things expand beyond their original scope. The Terrorism Act was meant to exclude domestic activists but two decades later it has been used against protest…

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Antifa is not a group.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Theres so many times I've written a comment, only to delete it on HN. Not because of being afraid of government censorship, but because of the sheer futility of fighting peoples faith and outmoded ideas of how our market place of ideas works. Counter speech, is NOT working. "the best ideas rise to the top" is untrue. We don't have an information economy, we have a content economy. Its the equivalent of the junk food…

> We don't have an information economy, we have a content economy.

We actually seem to have attention economy, that is the really valuable thing, not content. Mostly it's important what catches our attention first. This is also why counter speech does not work - it does not come first.

> If you want a market place of ideas, you have to figure out how to ensure its a FAIR market place.

Yes and that is obviously not possible at this time.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Why is it my earlier comment with so many upvotes got [flagged] ? Is it because I mentioned the entity name? Here is the comment: "It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly sh…

Religious conflict is old enough to gone through every kind of modern and non-modern ideology, including freedom of speech and humans rights. Why would the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, which has been ongoing since late 19th century, be a major driver in west ideology? It is not a suddenly adaptation of authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights. Die Gedanken sind frei demonstrates that people been fighting f…

The conflict has essentially been going on since Jacob and Esau, if you view the Bible as a historical record.
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