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German here, which entity is that?
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UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
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Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#52It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly shameful to see such developments.
It's been going on for longer than that. Ask Graham Linehan.
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#53It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly shameful to see such developments.
It's stretching all the way back to 2020. It isn't something new. It isn't just the government you need to be most worried about silencing you now, as other institutions wield equally great power.
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#54It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly shameful to see such developments.
This Xennial cannot help but notice the zeitgeist mirrors the emotional abstract of the Reagan 80s.
See Roger and Me, Michael Moore's first film. Economic downturn, workers facing uncertainty as the already opulent thrive.
Coincidentally GenXers that would have come of age at the time are middle managers and decision makers in corporate land.
CEO that jacked up Epipen prices. Insurance CEO that got got. Musk and Thiel. The original emo Smashing Pumpkins generation that grew up in a cocaine fueled era of news full of desperation and despair. Easy for them to tolerate and accept then as their brains nursed on it.
Good luck getting them to feel bad: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/style/gen-x-generation-di...
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#55The UK is speedrunning the fight to combat totalitarianism by becoming totalitarian. Of course the crucial difference between the groups, for now, is who gets to be the authority.
It really does feel like a hopeless situation. In one camp the woolly liberals being fuzzy as ever thinking if only everyone could sing happily together everything will be great (again?), and on the other those wanting to open pandora's box of fascist delights, without any sight of quite what is inside before you get to the bottom, somehow believing nothing in there will turn on them in the process.
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#56It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly shameful to see such developments.
> “…long championed democracy…”
Just occurred to me, before the free internet both dissemination of opinions and access was restricted. Now we have unprecedented access, and there are obvious strains and regression. Makes you wonder what we missed from the times before the internet.
To be sure, this legislation sounds draconian: “This expansive framing blurs the line between political dissent and subversive threat. Intent becomes a political judgement, inferred from beliefs, causes and associations rather than conduct.”
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#57It’s ironic how the West has long championed democracy, demanded freedom of speech, and called for human rights from everyone. Only to suddenly adopt authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-human rights, and anti-protest stances the moment free speech began to critique Israel. It’s truly shameful to see such developments.
This seems unlikely as support for conspiracy theories about Israel (eg the genocide hoax) are common in the UK including among the ruling classes, e.g. the police and the BBC.
The people being visited by police for creating content that other people say they find offensive are generally anti-immigration or anti gender ideology rather than anti-Israel.
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In your view, is it right to categorise PA alongside Al Quaida?
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
German here, which entity is that?
Someone else answered you and got flagged.
lol i doubt it i've been f5'ing this cause i'm curious but i genuinely don't know.
Prince Andrew? Jeffrey Epstein? Israel? Palestine? Hamas? Saudi Arabia? Quatar? Trump? Tories? Reform Party? Gurkhas? Rape Gangs? (I can't think of anything more...)
Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
It started before that. The powers that be in western European countries can no longer deliver prosperity or security to their citizens, so must instead use force and repression to cling on to power.
It can he argued that they only delivered prosperity to European countries by using force and repression elsewhere in the world.
It can be, but that would be wrong.
In 1096AD, while the Mayans were plunging daggers into their sacrifices' chests, England was busy opening Oxford University. What sort of fool would think that somehow all the engineering and scientific advance that would allow England to reach around the world and establish an empire could possibly have been caused by that empire?