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Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by layman51 »

qwertygnu wrote: post #8
johng wrote: post #2

I don't know how this works under the hood but it seems like no matter how it works, it could be gamed quite easily.

True, but there's probably many ways to do this and unless AI content starts falsifying tons of its metadata (which I'm sure would have other consequences), there's definitely a way. Plus other sites that link to the content could also give away it's date of creation, which is out of the control of the AI content.

I have heard of a forum (I believe it was Physics Forums) which was very popular in the older days of the internet where some of the older posts were actually edited so that they were completely rewritten with new content. I forget what the reasoning behind it was, but it did feel shady and unethical. If I remember correctly, the impetus behind it was that the website probably went under new ownership and the new owners felt that it was okay to take over the accounts of people who hadn't logged on in several years and to completely rewrite the content of their posts.

I believe I learned about it through HN, and it was this blog post: https://hallofdreams.org/posts/physicsforums/

It kind of reminds me of why some people really covet older accounts when they are trying to do a social engineering attack.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by venturecruelty »

k_roy wrote: post #11
rockskon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You know what's almost worse than something bad? People complaining about something bad."

Shrug. Sure. Point still stands. It’s not going anywhere. And the literal hate and pure vitriol I’ve seen towards people on social media, even when they say “oh yeah; this is AI”, is unbelievable. So many online groups have just become toxic shitholes because someone once or twice a week posts something AI generated

The entire US GDP for the last few quarters is being propped up by GPU vendors and one singular chatbot company, all betting that they can make a trillion dollars on $20-per-month "it's not just X, it's Y" Markov chain generators. We have six to 12 more months of this before the first investor says "wait a minute, we're not making enough money", and the house of cards comes tumbling down.

Also, maybe consider why people are upset about being consistently and sneakily lied to about whether or not an actual human wrote something. What's more likely: that everyone who's angry is wrong, or that you're misunderstanding why they're upset?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by permo-w »

littlestymaar wrote: post #27
unfunco wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

September?

ChatGPT was released exactly 3 years ago (on the 30th of November) so December it is in this context.

surely that would be eternal November then

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by system2 »

permo-w wrote: post #29

besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. the same stuff that any half-awares person wouldn't have read in the past is now slightly better written, using more em dashes and instances of the word "delve". if you're consistently being caught out by this stuff then likely you need to improve your search hygiene, n…

Yes indeed, it is a problem. Now the old good sites have turned into AI-slop sites because they can't fight the spammers by writing slowly with humans.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by maplethorpe »

k_roy wrote: post #5

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Is it really here to stay? If the wheels fells off the investment train and ChatGPT etc. disappeared tomorrow, how many people would be running inference locally? I suspect most people either wouldn't meet the hardware requirements or would be too frustrated with the slow token generation to bother. My mom certainly wouldn't be talking to it anymore.

Remember that a year or two ago, people were saying something similar about NFTs —that they were the future of sharing content online and we should all get used to it. Now, they still might exist, it's true, but they're much less pervasive and annoying than they once were.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by littlestymaar »

k_roy wrote: post #11
rockskon wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You know what's almost worse than something bad? People complaining about something bad."

Shrug. Sure. Point still stands. It’s not going anywhere. And the literal hate and pure vitriol I’ve seen towards people on social media, even when they say “oh yeah; this is AI”, is unbelievable. So many online groups have just become toxic shitholes because someone once or twice a week posts something AI generated

This kind of pressure is good actually, because it helps fighting against “lazy AI use” while letting people use AI in addition to their own brain.

And that's a hood thing because I much as I like LLMs as a technology, I really don't want people blindly copy-pasting stuff from it without thinking.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by pajamasam »

permo-w wrote: post #29

besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. the same stuff that any half-awares person wouldn't have read in the past is now slightly better written, using more em dashes and instances of the word "delve". if you're consistently being caught out by this stuff then likely you need to improve your search hygiene, n…

SEO-spam was often at least somewhat factual and not complete generated garbage. Recipe sites, for example, usually have a button that lets you skip the SEO stuff and get to the actual recipe.

Also, the AI slop is covering almost every sentence or phrase you can think of to search. Before, if I used more niche search phrases and exact searches, I was pretty much guaranteed to get specific results. Now, I have to wade through pages and pages of nonsense.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by Cadwhisker »

permo-w wrote: post #29

besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. the same stuff that any half-awares person wouldn't have read in the past is now slightly better written, using more em dashes and instances of the word "delve". if you're consistently being caught out by this stuff then likely you need to improve your search hygiene, n…

In the past, I'd find one wrong answer and I could easily spot the copies. Now there's a dozen different sites with the same wrong answer, just with better formatting and nicer text.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by littlestymaar »

permo-w wrote: post #33
littlestymaar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT was released exactly 3 years ago (on the 30th of November) so December it is in this context.

surely that would be eternal November then

No, being released on Nov 30th means November was still before the slop era.
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