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Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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One thing I haven't seen brought up throughout the dialogue about Wikipedia and bias:

Since the entire edit history is available, isn't it possible / practical / probably not crazy hard w/ AI help to build a "dissentipedia", where the articles are built as if various edit wars had gone the other way?

I'd certainly read such a thing and compare / contrast it to WikiPedia (particularly when looking for cited primary sources).

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grokipedia Vs https://grokipedia.com/page/Wikipedia

Wow. This is so biased. And it's just the first month.

> Joe Biden

> These outcomes, alongside visible signs of cognitive impairment that prompted his July 2024 decision to forgo reelection, defined a presidency criticized for prioritizing progressive spending over fiscal and security prudence.

https://grokipedia.com/page/Joe_Biden

> Donald Trump

> His first term featured economic policies such as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and individual rates for many brackets, contributing to pre-pandemic unemployment lows of 3.5% and stock market gains exceeding 50% on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

https://grokipedia.com/page/Donald_Trump

I bet the people contributing to Wikipedia did not consent to this. I certainly had no idea my contributions would be used to bootstrap something like this.

Like with the hyperscalers' rip off of Open Source, it turns out that the things you give away can be weaponized against you.

I could have never imagined this outcome. Their free labor created something to use against you.

Just like those Redis and Elasticsearch commits that now fund a trillion dollar conglomerate's takeover of American journalism and media.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Why would anyone trust Elon Musk with anything having to do with AI? Just last week he was caught tuning Grok to say positive things about him, something Grok took so seriously that it said Elon would be the best piss drinker in the world, and it put Elon Musk in the top 3 of every human category, from philosophy to boxing to basketball. If he can’t pass up the temptation to put his foot on that scale, why would you…

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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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I've been reading a lot of Don Delillo lately and so I wanted to see how Grokipedia page on him fares. I found the "Critiques of elitism" section and noticed this sentence: "Reviews of Mao II (1991), for instance, highlighted the novel's focus on a performance artist protagonist as emblematic of this tendency, with detractors accusing DeLillo of prioritizing esoteric concerns over relatable human experiences, thereby…

Well it is only version v0.2

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Why would anyone trust Elon Musk with anything having to do with AI? Just last week he was caught tuning Grok to say positive things about him, something Grok took so seriously that it said Elon would be the best piss drinker in the world, and it put Elon Musk in the top 3 of every human category, from philosophy to boxing to basketball. If he can’t pass up the temptation to put his foot on that scale, why would you…

This isn't for us. This is for the 5-10 year olds. If it costs $1T to keep it around long enough for the next generation to be dependent on it, it would've been worth it for Elon and his friends.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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If Wikipedia was not real, it would sound like a naive utopian thing you’d read in a bad paperback. Multi-language repository of basically all human knowledge that’s extremely resistant to government capture and contributed by volunteers totally transparently? Bullshit. And yet … there it is.

Wikipedia might be resistant to government capture. But it's rather vulnerable to other forms of capture.

See https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/how-wikipedia-whitewashe... and https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/reliable-sources-how-wik...

Having said that I agree that Wikipedia is a tremendous achievement, and despite the wards it's amazing that it works as well as it does.

If you permit me to go on a tangent: Wikipedia is also interesting as a test case for our definitions of (economic) 'productivity'. By any common sense notion of productivity, Wikipedia was and is an enormous triumph: the wiki models harvests volunteers' time and delivers a high quality encyclopedia for free to customers. By textbook definitions, Wikipedia tanked productivity in the encyclopedia sector because these definitions essentially put revenue in the numerator and various measures of resources expended in the denominator---and Wikipedia's numerator is approximately zero dollars.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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I've been reading a lot of Don Delillo lately and so I wanted to see how Grokipedia page on him fares. I found the "Critiques of elitism" section and noticed this sentence: "Reviews of Mao II (1991), for instance, highlighted the novel's focus on a performance artist protagonist as emblematic of this tendency, with detractors accusing DeLillo of prioritizing esoteric concerns over relatable human experiences, thereby…

But is there any reason to not treat this as Wikipedia? As in, just suggest a correction?

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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This seems like an old article, but probably still true today What I don't get is, why wouldn't Elon just make a good version of Grokipedia. It seems way easier than continually telling his 200MM+ followers how great a deeply broken product is.

Could it be, could it possibly be, because he’s not an honest broker but a deeply wounded, emotionally immature malignant narcissist who needs the world to conform to his darkest viewpoints so that he can tell himself that he is not the imperfect person he knows himself to be?
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