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The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

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Watched it a while ago. Made me seriously think about AI and what we should use it for. I feel like all the entertainment use cases (image and video gen) are a complete waste.

The chatbots and image editors are just a side-show. The real value is coming in e.g. chemistry (Alpha fold etc all), fusion research, weather prediction etc.

The real value is coming in warfare.

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I caught it on the airplane a few days ago. I would have loved a little more technical depth, but I guess that's pretty much standard for a puff piece.

It is interesting that Hassabis has had the same goal for almost 20 years now. He has a decent chance of hitting it too.

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Did you watch the documentary? Would probably fare better if you did, because it'd give you the context for the film title.

I'm an hour into it, unconvinced. The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd. This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.

Why is it absurd? Because believing that would break some deep delusion humans have about themselves?

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AlphaFold is optimization, not thinking. Propaganda 'r us.

Not sure why this is downvoted. The comment cuts to the core of the "Intelligence vs. Curve-Fitting" debate. From my humble perspective as a PhD in the molecular biology /biophysics field you are fundamentally correct: AlphaFold is optimization (curve-fitting), not thinking. But calling it "propaganda" might be a slight oversimplification of why that optimization is useful. If you ask AlphaFold to predict a protein that violates the laws of physics (e.g. a designed sequence with impossible steric clashes), it will sometimes still confidently predict a folded structure because it is optimizing for "looking like a protein", not for "obeying physics". The "Propaganda" label likely comes from DeepMind's marketing, which uses words like "Solved"; instead, DeepMind found a way to bypass the protein folding problem.

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chatbots and image editors are just a side-show. The real value is coming in e.g. chemistry (Alpha fold etc all), fusion research, weather prediction etc.

The real value is coming in warfare.

Right. More accurate predictions for meta-data based killings which as championed by US in their war on terror

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Why are images and video a complete waste? This makes no sense to me. Right now the generators aren’t effective but they are definitely stepping stones to something better in the future. If that future thing produces video, movies and pictures better than anything humanity can produce at a rate faster than we can produce things… how is that a waste? It can arguably be bad for society but definitely not a waste.

Let me phrase it a bit differently, then: AI generated cats in Ghibli style are a waste, we should definitely do less of that. I did not hold that opinion before the documentary Education-style infographics and videos are OK.

I'm glad you're not the sole arbiter for what is wasteful and what isn't.

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#48

Watched it a while ago. Made me seriously think about AI and what we should use it for. I feel like all the entertainment use cases (image and video gen) are a complete waste.

Why are images and video a complete waste? This makes no sense to me. Right now the generators aren’t effective but they are definitely stepping stones to something better in the future. If that future thing produces video, movies and pictures better than anything humanity can produce at a rate faster than we can produce things… how is that a waste? It can arguably be bad for society but definitely not a waste.

Parent said "entertainment use cases" are a complete waste, not all uses of images and video. I don't agree, but do particularly find educational use cases of AI video are becoming compelling.

I help people turn wire rolling shelf racks into the base of their home studio, and AI can now create a "how to attach something to a wire shelf rack" without me having to do all the space and rack and equipment and lighting and video setup, and just use a prompt. It's not close to perfect yet, but it's becoming useful.

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post #45

AlphaFold is optimization, not thinking. Propaganda 'r us.

Not sure why this is downvoted. The comment cuts to the core of the "Intelligence vs. Curve-Fitting" debate. From my humble perspective as a PhD in the molecular biology /biophysics field you are fundamentally correct: AlphaFold is optimization (curve-fitting), not thinking. But calling it "propaganda" might be a slight oversimplification of why that optimization is useful. If you ask AlphaFold to predict a protein t…

I'm concerned that coders and the general public will confuse optimization with intelligence. That's the nature of propaganda, substituting sleight of hand to create a false narrative.

btw an excellent explanation, thank you.

Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary

#50

Watched it a while ago. Made me seriously think about AI and what we should use it for. I feel like all the entertainment use cases (image and video gen) are a complete waste.

Practical things are probably treating diseases and more abundance of physical goods. More speculative/sci-fi is merging in some form with AI and maybe immortality which I think is the more interesting bit.
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