AlphaFold is optimization, not thinking. Propaganda 'r us.
what is thinking?
Creatively peeling the hyper dimensional space in the scope of simplectic geometry, markhov blanket and helmholtz invariance????
The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
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Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#12AlphaFold is optimization, not thinking. Propaganda 'r us.
Did you watch the documentary? Would probably fare better if you did, because it'd give you the context for the film title.
I'm an hour into it, unconvinced.
The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd.
This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you watch the documentary? Would probably fare better if you did, because it'd give you the context for the film title.
I'm an hour into it, unconvinced. The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd. This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.
Well, two things: it's the last sentence of the film; being on hour into something you're calling propaganda is brave.
Anyways. I thought the documentary was inspiring. Deepmind are the only lab that has historically prioritized science over consumer-facing product (that's changing now, however). I think their work with AlphaFold is commendable.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you watch the documentary? Would probably fare better if you did, because it'd give you the context for the film title.
I'm an hour into it, unconvinced. The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd. This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.
Is there a fundamental difference between it and true agency/thought? I’m not so sure.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an hour into it, unconvinced. The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd. This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.
Is there a fundamental difference between it and true agency/thought? I’m not so sure.
Agency will emerge from exceeding the bottleneck of evolution's hand-me-down tools: binary, symbols, metaphors. As long as these unconscious sportscasters for thought "explain" to us what thought "is", we are trapped. DeepMind is simply another circular hamster wheel of evolution. Just look at the status-propaganda the film heightens in order to justify the magic.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#16Watched it a while ago. Made me seriously think about AI and what we should use it for. I feel like all the entertainment use cases (image and video gen) are a complete waste.
DeepMind's new [edit: apparently now old] weather forecast model is similar in architecture to the toys that generate videos of horses addressing Congress or cats wearing sombreros. The technology moves forward and while some of the new applications are not important, other applications of the same technology may be important.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#17I find it funny that the YouTube link takes you to the film, but like an hour into it.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an hour into it, unconvinced. The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd. This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.
Well, two things: it's the last sentence of the film; being on hour into something you're calling propaganda is brave. Anyways. I thought the documentary was inspiring. Deepmind are the only lab that has historically prioritized science over consumer-facing product (that's changing now, however). I think their work with AlphaFold is commendable.
It's science under the creative boundary of binary/symbols. And as analog thinkers, we should be developing far greater tools than these glass ceilings. And yes, having finished the film, it's far more propagandic than it began as.
Science is exceeding the envelop of paradox, and what I see here is obeying the envelope in order to justify the binary as a path to AGI. It's not a path. The symbol is a bottleneck.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an hour into it, unconvinced. The illusion that agency 'emerges' from rules like games, is fundamentally absurd. This is the foundational illusion of mechanics. It's UFOlogy not science.
Well, two things: it's the last sentence of the film; being on hour into something you're calling propaganda is brave. Anyways. I thought the documentary was inspiring. Deepmind are the only lab that has historically prioritized science over consumer-facing product (that's changing now, however). I think their work with AlphaFold is commendable.
Plenty *commercial* labs frequently prioritized pure science over *immediate* consumer products, but none done so out of charity. Deepmind included.
Re: The Thinking Game Film – Google DeepMind documentary
#20Watched it a while ago. Made me seriously think about AI and what we should use it for. I feel like all the entertainment use cases (image and video gen) are a complete waste.
The chatbots and image editors are just a side-show. The real value is coming in e.g. chemistry (Alpha fold etc all), fusion research, weather prediction etc.