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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by Gracana »

justonceokay wrote: post #38
01284a7e wrote: post #12

Free, and open source models. Now and forever.

What is a free model worth if it’s running on another company’s server farm, trained with data you do not have access to?

That is literally the thing the parent poster wants to avoid by running open models.

[edit] I was a little unfair -- lack of access to training data is a bit of an issue (perhaps moreso for analysis than for for actual use, considering what it takes to train these models). I'm thankful that some of them are also distributed as base models, which should be relatively unbiased compared to what happens later during finetuning.

Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by tensegrist »

dkdcio wrote: post #30
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree 100% with you. In this niche forum people keep saying “there’s no moat”. But the moat is the brand recognition, if I ask my 70yo mum “have you heard of Gemini/Claude” she’ll reply “the what?”, yet she knows of ChatGPT. Does Coca Cola have a moat? Some company could raise $1B to create a new cola beverage that beats Coca Cola in all blind tests imaginable yet people will keep buying Coca Cola. Did people switc…

I don’t disagree but want to go on the record predicting this will collapse on itself spectacularly and OpenAI will still “fail” commercially for the Cola Cola drinkers, the product goes from an infallible AI to with no ulterior motives to another Google that’s purpose is to sell you ads, but more creepily. it’s like if Coca Cola started adding a few milliliters of bleach to their product

normal people don't have the same expectations as you when it comes to how much a given service should know about them, is the thing

"how did X know whose profile you saw on Y service"

"the computer knows everything i do on the computer, what do you mean"

Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by rs186 »

kavrick wrote: post #31
Andrex wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spinning up an all-new ad network is pretty tough. I would think OpenAI would need to beat Meta/Google on basics like CPM in order for the network effects to make it desirable for ad vendors over Meta/Google. Ad budgets are fixed and zero-sum and vendors (in my head, I don't know) would prefer to spend their money on the best network giving the best results. I don't know if ads in LLM chats can get there.

Microsoft owns a big chunk of them and already has a big network. Why not just use theirs?

Why would OpenAI want to use and pay for any of Microsoft's products unless mandated by a contract?

OpenAI has the talent to roll out and run their own ad product that is better and more efficient. Why pay Microsoft for a core part of their (future) business?

P.S. In case you haven't noticed, OpenAI demos are done on Macbooks. Microsoft could not even get them to use Windows.

Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by rs186 »

Andrex wrote: post #27
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

Spinning up an all-new ad network is pretty tough. I would think OpenAI would need to beat Meta/Google on basics like CPM in order for the network effects to make it desirable for ad vendors over Meta/Google. Ad budgets are fixed and zero-sum and vendors (in my head, I don't know) would prefer to spend their money on the best network giving the best results. I don't know if ads in LLM chats can get there.

If Apple can build an ad system within the app store, I don't see why OpenAI can't do that for ChatGPT.

Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by mikaeluman »

It was unavoidable and inevitable.

Still it saddens me that we will be sitting here in a years time and discuss our experiences of being fed ads served as "objective information".

Today if I ask: "should I buy a store product or just use raw material X?" , gpt and others will gladly say you might as well just use the raw product.

Pretty sure that will change very quickly.

Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by [deleted] »

everdrive wrote: post #9

This outcome was obvious. If you really let yourself rely on an LLM, it will steer you towards what its owners want; products and services provided by advertisers, the "right" social and moral values, etc. It will even "accidentally" steer you towards its own inflections and ways of thinking. This is one isn't overtly malicious, but is still insidious. Do these companies get to standardize thinking and speaking just…

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Post by mpalmer »

mikaeluman wrote: post #46

It was unavoidable and inevitable. Still it saddens me that we will be sitting here in a years time and discuss our experiences of being fed ads served as "objective information". Today if I ask: "should I buy a store product or just use raw material X?" , gpt and others will gladly say you might as well just use the raw product. Pretty sure that will change very quickly.

The metered APIs aren't going anywhere... one hopes

Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by cheschire »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #28
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

I agree 100% with you. In this niche forum people keep saying “there’s no moat”. But the moat is the brand recognition, if I ask my 70yo mum “have you heard of Gemini/Claude” she’ll reply “the what?”, yet she knows of ChatGPT. Does Coca Cola have a moat? Some company could raise $1B to create a new cola beverage that beats Coca Cola in all blind tests imaginable yet people will keep buying Coca Cola. Did people switc…

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