That's impressive but early macOS were pretty awful UX; I think the UI thread was everything. I remember clicking and waiting.
System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
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Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only that, everything felt _snappy_. No wasteful animations to add 0.28 ms to every interaction.
MacOS 9 was awful , a product of a rather unpleasant era for Apple really. I wanna say through 9.2.1 maybe even through to 9.2.2 the OS had a nasty habit of corrupting your disk. Hardware-wise Apple used CMD64x based IDE controllers so when OS9 wasn't screwing with your data the hardware itself would. There absolutely were animations e.g. when closing a Finder window, but they were much lighter weight. As far as I'm…
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#23Ah, classic Python. Removing features [0] and breaking perfectly working software just because the feature is old, ugly, and not widely used.
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only that, everything felt _snappy_. No wasteful animations to add 0.28 ms to every interaction.
MacOS 9 was awful , a product of a rather unpleasant era for Apple really. I wanna say through 9.2.1 maybe even through to 9.2.2 the OS had a nasty habit of corrupting your disk. Hardware-wise Apple used CMD64x based IDE controllers so when OS9 wasn't screwing with your data the hardware itself would. There absolutely were animations e.g. when closing a Finder window, but they were much lighter weight. As far as I'm…
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#25I emulated Mac OS 7 under XP times, and i was impressed that you could get far faster speeds emulating the M68k (and partially the PPC) compared to Intel X86 without any hardware accelerating chip (IntelVT) or kernel modules trapping X86 instructions running it at native speeds. I mean, PPC and M68k chips where much easier to emulate than X86 on itself.
On software, Classic Mac users can just resort to IRC and Gopher clients and visit the public https://bitlbee.org IRC servers in order to connect 'modern' accounts and being proxied to a Mac IRC client. And for Gopher, you have gopher://hngopher.com, gopher://magical.fish and the like. Sadly you don't have an easy TLS library as Amiga users have (AmiSSL) where even modern web can work on it (and IRC over TLS, Gemini...).
Altough... if Amiga m68k emulators run fast with the Rosetta like tech for PPC... you would just fire up Workbench and then AmiSSL. Crude, but it would work. If not, here in the Apple subdir you can get, maybe, some TLS enabled browsers:
gopher://bitreich.org/1/lawn
and
gopher://happymacs.ddns.net/1Vintage-Mac-Software-Archive
MacSSL:
https://github.com/demoniccode12/MacSSL
Usenet will work fine without any TLS, and there's tons of content out there.
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only that, everything felt _snappy_. No wasteful animations to add 0.28 ms to every interaction.
MacOS 9 was awful , a product of a rather unpleasant era for Apple really. I wanna say through 9.2.1 maybe even through to 9.2.2 the OS had a nasty habit of corrupting your disk. Hardware-wise Apple used CMD64x based IDE controllers so when OS9 wasn't screwing with your data the hardware itself would. There absolutely were animations e.g. when closing a Finder window, but they were much lighter weight. As far as I'm…
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#27StarMax series (and the 4400) seemed to be about as close to CHRP as we got. My off-brand StarMax clone (PowerCity) had a PS/2 and an ISA port. Ran BeOS well, and had a quirk that I could hear a tight loop on the speaker.
Apple Cobra Open Firmware CHRP 1.1 B3 built on 08/18/97 at 13:04:24
Copyright Apple Computer 1994,1996,1997
Copyright IBM Corporation 1996
All rights reserved.
ok
0 > dev / ls
ff82ec18: /cpus
ff82ee08: /PowerPC,604e@0
ff82f600: /chosen
ff82f750: /memory@0
ff82f8d8: /memory-controller@fec00000
ff82f9d8: /openprom
ff82fab8: /rom@ff000000
ff82ff48: /boot-rom@fff00000
ff830060: /options
ff830828: /aliases
ff830c78: /packages
ff830d00: /deblocker
ff8314c8: /disk-label
ff832090: /obp-tftp
ff835db8: /mac-parts
ff836578: /mac-files
ff837de0: /fat-files
ff839700: /iso-9660-files
ff83a148: /bootinfo-loader
ff83b7d0: /xcoff-loader
ff83c060: /pe-loader
ff83c7d0: /elf-loader
ff83da18: /terminal-emulator
ff83dab0: /rtas
ff83dc70: /pci@80000000
ff83ff38: /isa@b
ff8414e0: /nvram@i74
ff841ad0: /rtc@i70
ff842500: /parallel@i378
ff842988: /serial@i3f8
ff843020: /serial@i2f8
ff8436b8: /sound@i534
ff850288: /8042@i60
ff8515f8: /keyboard@0
ff854b88: /mouse@1
ff8554c0: /fdc@i3f0
ff858730: /disk@1
ff85bac0: /op-panel@i808
ff85bba0: /pwr-mgmt@i82a
ff85bed8: /timer@i40
ff85c070: /interrupt-controller@i20
ff85c250: /dma-controller@i0
ff85c738: /pci-ide@b,1
ff85d028: /ide@0
ff85db78: /ide@1
ff85e6c8: /cdrom@0
ff862e60: /mac-io@d
ff863468: /scsi@10000
ff865298: /disk
ff8660c8: /tape
ff8671b8: /adb@11000
ff867cb0: /keyboard@2
ff8685a0: /mouse@3
ff8687c0: /escc-legacy@12000
ff8689b8: /ch-a@12002
ff868b08: /ch-b@12000
ff868c58: /escc@13000
ff868e40: /ch-a@13020
ff869500: /ch-b@13000
ff869bc0: /via@16000
ff869cb0: /interrupt-controller@40000
ff869e70: /cirrus@e
ff86e2c8: /pci1022,2000@f
ok
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Refer to the "Macintosh Technology in the
Common Hardware Reference Platform" book for more information, if you're curious about the Mac IO pieces.The Motorola Yellowknife board seems remarkably similar to this system, as well as the IBM Long Trail system (albeit with Long Trail using a VLSI Golden Gate versus a MPC106 memory controller). Both of them use W83C553 southbridges and PC87307 Super I/O controllers.
The architecture is kind of weird, but the schematics on NXP's website can probably elucidate a bit more on the system's design.
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#28Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#29As an European, Classic Macs (and current ones) were just for arts/writting people. If you knew what CMYK was in order to print a newspaper, you were a Mac user. I emulated Mac OS 7 under XP times, and i was impressed that you could get far faster speeds emulating the M68k (and partially the PPC) compared to Intel X86 without any hardware accelerating chip (IntelVT) or kernel modules trapping X86 instructions running…
Wish someone would try to create native MacOS classic on x86 hardware.
There are so many Unix or Linux ABI compatible kernels like the recent Moss written in rust.
Re: System 7 natively boots on the Mac mini G4
#30That's impressive but early macOS were pretty awful UX; I think the UI thread was everything. I remember clicking and waiting.
How would you have done it?