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Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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I read quite a lot of bashing of various national and transnational European institutions for relying so much on US tech. But what about YOU, european? gmail, facebook, instagram, twitter, whatsapp, macbook, iphone, uber, steam etc etc are all working fine for you?

European from Antwerp here. I only use two of those, and see more and more of my friends migrate away from some, albeit slowly.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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The point is using Microsoft stuff, instead of alternatives, not what Microsoft can do.

No, the point is precisely what Microsoft can do. This is all about sovereignty of the computers you use, the software you use, and control of your data. But I'm glad to see you concede the point.

As long as we depends on any Microsoft technology, the dependency won't go away, thinking the problem is only Windows and Office is throwing to the eyes of the public.

To achieve Microsoft freedom, you have to have 100% Microsoft free technology, from computer, operating systems, programming languages, hosting services, communication platform, social media, job platforms, the whole deal.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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No, the point is precisely what Microsoft can do. This is all about sovereignty of the computers you use, the software you use, and control of your data. But I'm glad to see you concede the point.

As long as we depends on any Microsoft technology, the dependency won't go away, thinking the problem is only Windows and Office is throwing to the eyes of the public. To achieve Microsoft freedom, you have to have 100% Microsoft free technology, from computer, operating systems, programming languages, hosting services, communication platform, social media, job platforms, the whole deal.

You've already conceded the point that once it's contributed to Linux Microsoft can't yank it away again.

If Microsoft wants to stop contributing that's perfectly fine. Others will maintain it.

That's what's great about big open source projects like Linux. It's another great project originating in Europe.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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I spent the past year working for a company that relies heavily on Microsoft for email, productivity tools, and identity management. After that experience, I can say with confidence: never again. The support is astonishingly poor, and user experience feels like an afterthought. More importantly, using Microsoft at scale can leave your organization fundamentally insecure. The obscure, insecure defaults are, at best, d…

I'm always amazed at how needlessly complicated and useless administration of Microsoft products and services are. So much of 365 feels like it is 75-90% completed then abandoned. Every time I find something that sounds like it should be really useful, it turns out to lack at least one function or feature needed to do what I would need it to.

Like Azure. 90% in the UX and the one feature that you need that is only accessible on the cli…

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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post #289

I read quite a lot of bashing of various national and transnational European institutions for relying so much on US tech. But what about YOU, european? gmail, facebook, instagram, twitter, whatsapp, macbook, iphone, uber, steam etc etc are all working fine for you?

yep, but for most of those its not very good for us.

Like fast food, it makes satiates a short term desire for a long term problem.

At least, facebook, instagram and an argument can be made for gmail.

I think goods are a different thing altogether though, nobody tells you what to do with your washing machine after you buy it, but social media engines use your data against you and change the rules/system on a whim.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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> don't build castles on foreign kingdoms Microsoft is a foreign kingdom to Europe. That's part of the problem.

Which is why I listed several Microsoft dependent technologies that Europe kingdom guards have to stop the merchants from Microsoft kingdom trade at the borders. Without wagons carrying Windows game boxes, there is nothing at the SteamOS theater to play, and then the actors have to actually come up with their own original plays.

What do you believe will happen? Wine exists. It will continue to exist.

You can do development with Wine without a copy of Windows:

https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Winelib-User's-G...

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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"Europe" is, unlike the US, not a single entity. Yes, we have European Union which helps a lot, but it is not complete (and certainly wasn't in the time when Microsofts and Googles of this world started), making that all-important initial scaling way more difficult than it is in the US.

> "Europe" is, unlike the US, not a single entity It really needs to be, though, that's kind of the crux of it. Federate or die off, it's time to get rid of old tribal thinking. We're all Europeans.

>> "Europe" is, unlike the US, not a single entity > >It really needs to be, though, that's kind of the crux of it. > >Federate or die off, it's time to get rid of old tribal thinking. We're all Europeans.

OK, let us play this game...

China, Japan, Taiwan and the Koreas "really needs to be" a single entity. Theyre all East Asian.

USA, Canada and Mexico "really needs to be" a single entity. Theyre all North Americans.

Nigeria, Algeria, Somalia, and so on "really needs to be" one entity. Theyre all Africans.

It is obvious where this is going, and it is not some place most people want to be. You never explained the rationale behind the need you think there is. You just stated your opinion. But your rationale would be much more interesting to hear.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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I studied at Utrecht University and all the programming classes in the Bachelor were C#, Visual Studio, XNA, DirectX. Windows. Database class i had to learn in Proprietary Microsoft tools too. All Microsoft stuff. Sure nobody would complain if you did stuff on Linux but all the support by TAs and teachers was on Microsoft platforms only.. The Master was much better but the Bachelor basically was grooming people to be…

Visual Studio is world class IDE, C# is one of the better designed languages and ecosystems, Windows is everywhere - from home, to enterprise.

X is great; Y is great; Z is everywhere!

Probably not intended, but had to laugh a bit at that.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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Only invasion, or a real threat of invasion, from Russia, US or China can shook Europe into real change.

Threat of invasion from Russia doesn't seem to be doing it. China is too far away. The US? Half of Europe might actually side with them.

> Threat of invasion from Russia doesn't seem to be doing it.

There’s no actual threat of Western Europe invasion from Russia.

Russia is a gas station operated by racketeers, they’ll bite off as much as they can and threaten with guns and nukes, they don’t have capability to meaningfully invade Western Europe.

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