Interesting that he's named personally. Can any Swedish person explain whether this is the normal process?
Isn't that ultimately there's people responsible for a company's actions the reason why Mr Burns has a canary that actually owns his company?
Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
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Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#22Lord Zuckerberg is above the law everywhere in the world! 100% guarantee nothing will come of this.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#23My (swedish) grandfather keeps falling for these Meta scams. Scrolling through his feed is insane and disgusting. So many ads that mimick OS alerts saying storage is low, insane amounts of AI crap and fake products. I 100% agree with this. Try scrolling through your grandparents’ Instagram or Facebook and see for yourself. It’s obviously _very_ easy for Meta to filter out these scams, but they choose not to.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#24I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
It means the legal system is investigating the matter and the public prosecutor may or may not decide to file charges. The publishers might have filed a lawsuit themselves, but that is very expensive so they hope the legal system will do it for them. My guess is that the investigation will be closed because I don't think Swedish authorities think they have jurisdiction over Facebook. Unless Meta happens to have offic…
The investigation maybe will be closed, but not for that reason. Fraudulent ads that are paid for and then shown on Swedish news sites makes money change hands in Sweden. Even though the fraudsters are abroad, Meta makes business with the media in Sweden that displays the ads. Jurisdiction will not be a problem
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It means the legal system is investigating the matter and the public prosecutor may or may not decide to file charges. The publishers might have filed a lawsuit themselves, but that is very expensive so they hope the legal system will do it for them. My guess is that the investigation will be closed because I don't think Swedish authorities think they have jurisdiction over Facebook. Unless Meta happens to have offic…
The investigation maybe will be closed, but not for that reason. Fraudulent ads that are paid for and then shown on Swedish news sites makes money change hands in Sweden. Even though the fraudsters are abroad, Meta makes business with the media in Sweden that displays the ads. Jurisdiction will not be a problem
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Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#26I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
It means the legal system is investigating the matter and the public prosecutor may or may not decide to file charges. The publishers might have filed a lawsuit themselves, but that is very expensive so they hope the legal system will do it for them. My guess is that the investigation will be closed because I don't think Swedish authorities think they have jurisdiction over Facebook. Unless Meta happens to have offic…
> Unless Meta happens to have offices in Sweden, which I don't think they have
Meta operates one of their european datacenters out of Luleå in Sweden.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#27I don’t think there’s a story here, it’s a police report , not even a lawsuit. There’s no skin in the game required when filing a police report.
The media commpanies that have filed the report are not the victims of the fraud and would not have a case to sue. And the defrauded people don't have the means. The media companies can however report a committed crime, and their high profile brings it more attention
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#28There is a deluge of financial scams across all Meta platforms but also Twitter. A centralized platform have all the right to moderate content, but they must also be liable for obvious scams. Either you are an open messenger like the postal service or an ISP. Or you own the platform. You cannot have it both ways. I never understood why they all get away with doing nothing. Meta's own investigation showed 10%+ of all…
>Either you are an open messenger like the postal service [...]
In what way is the postal service "open"? Sure, anyone can send a letter, but anyone can also create a facebook messenger account. If you want to do business with it (eg. sending bulk mail or delivering international mail), you still need to enter into a commercial agreement.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#29Interesting that he's named personally. Can any Swedish person explain whether this is the normal process?
In Sweden, you can charge someone/something two ways. Either you and a company has a disagreement and you sue one or the other and it goes to court. But in this case, ”Utgivarna” which are basically a company/org that represents a lot of media outlets, basically went to the police instead and said ”hey, we think that meta is breaking the Swedish law”. What the police does is that they then investigate and then finds…
That makes a lot more sense than the stupid approach like America (and I’m sure other countries too) where they consider the company a person and thus all that actually happens is a fine, that almost always amounts to several orders of magnitude less than the company made for their knowingly wrongdoing
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#30I don’t think there’s a story here, it’s a police report , not even a lawsuit. There’s no skin in the game required when filing a police report.
I'm pretty sure the publishers are alleging that a crime has been committed. In that case, private parties can't open a suit (at least if Swedish criminal law is at all similar to Norwegian law), so this asks the police to open a criminal investigation into the matter. What happens next in the Norwegian system at least is that the police will conduct their investigation, and at some point when the police consider the…
Surely you can still sue separately through the civil process even if you choose to not pursue criminal charges?
If someone causes you damage through non-criminal negligence, surely you can sue them?
The idea that you couldn’t bring a civil suit over possibly criminal conduct seems unworkable. It’s possible that my neighbour was drunk when he crashed into my parked car late at night, but surely that can’t preclude me from seeking compensation through civilian courts.
It’s possible, but tremendously unlikely that Facebook is committing fraud here. In Sweden you have to prove intent to defraud, which is a tremendously high bar.
Which, again, makes the idea that you couldn’t bring a civil suit seem ever more bizarre. How could you possibly know if Facebook has committed fraud here? You presumably can’t read Zuckerbergs toughts.