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Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#12I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
Fraud is a crime. When a crime is committed citizens inform the police to investigate.
If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police? Maybe in America is different, but the normal thing to do is to go to the police. Fraud is not different, the police will investigate.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#13I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
Fraud is a crime. When a crime is committed citizens inform the police to investigate. If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police? Maybe in America is different, but the normal thing to do is to go to the police. Fraud is not different, the police will investigate.
In the US you can do both (and often that's what happens - parallel criminal and civil cases)
US legal system is kinda weird
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#14I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
Fraud is a crime. When a crime is committed citizens inform the police to investigate. If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police? Maybe in America is different, but the normal thing to do is to go to the police. Fraud is not different, the police will investigate.
> If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police?
In the USA, probably both. You (or your insurance company) might sue them to recover your financial losses, the police would investigate the crime of assault and/or robbery and pass any evidence along to the prosecutor.
Of course if they have no money or other assets, suing them is a bit pointless.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#15I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
I know nothing about Swedish law, but in the US, there can be both civil and criminal fraud. They might be planning to file a lawsuit also.
I think fraud is always a crime? Something like breach of contract would be a civil matter, as that’s probably not fraud just a disagreement.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fraud is a crime. When a crime is committed citizens inform the police to investigate. If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police? Maybe in America is different, but the normal thing to do is to go to the police. Fraud is not different, the police will investigate.
> If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police? In the USA, probably both. You (or your insurance company) might sue them to recover your financial losses, the police would investigate the crime of assault and/or robbery and pass any evidence along to the prosecutor. Of course if they have no money or other assets, suing them is a bit pointless.
In the US, you might wait for criminal action if it was progressing to initiate civil action because (1) a criminal conviction can be used as evidence (and it is asymmetrical, because an actual doesn't have the same weight), and (2) criminal process can result in a restitution order which makes civil action unnecessary (and in some jurisdictions may allow recovery from a dedicated fund for victims of crime even if no recovery is possible from the perpetrator, and in that sense may be better than winning a civil action), and (3) criminal prosecution doesn't cost the victim money, civil prosecution generally does.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#17There is a deluge of financial scams across all Meta platforms but also Twitter. A centralized platform have all the right to moderate content, but they must also be liable for obvious scams.
Either you are an open messenger like the postal service or an ISP. Or you own the platform. You cannot have it both ways.
I never understood why they all get away with doing nothing. Meta's own investigation showed 10%+ of all revenue is from outright scams, and all they do is charge the scammers a premium.
I have reported scams myself and have been completely stonewalled just like everyone else. They obviously earn a lot of money by looking the other way. That can't possibly be legal in any jurisdiction. Let's hope the Swedish justice system takes this seriously and sets an example for others.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If someone punches you in the street or steals your wallet will you file a lawsuit or call the police? In the USA, probably both. You (or your insurance company) might sue them to recover your financial losses, the police would investigate the crime of assault and/or robbery and pass any evidence along to the prosecutor. Of course if they have no money or other assets, suing them is a bit pointless.
In the US, you might wait for criminal action if it was progressing to initiate civil action because (1) a criminal conviction can be used as evidence (and it is asymmetrical, because an actual doesn't have the same weight), and (2) criminal process can result in a restitution order which makes civil action unnecessary (and in some jurisdictions may allow recovery from a dedicated fund for victims of crime even if no…
Yeah point 3 is why you generally don’t bother with civil claims unless they actually have the means to pay.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#19This should be just the begging as Social Media companies will not be able to just declare themselves over the law on fraud claims. Related: - "Social media giants liable for financial scams under new EU law " https://www.politico.eu/article/social-media-giants-meta-tik... - "Meta is earning a fortune on a deluge of fraudulent ads, documents show" https://www.reuters.com/investigations/meta-is-earning-fortu...
Making these ad companies liable for the scams they allow (even take a premium for running them) seems like the only way forward.
Re: Swedish publishers file police report against Meta's Zuckerberg for fraud
#20I am not familiar with the legal system in Sweden, but it seems odd that it would be a police report instead of a lawsuit.
It means the legal system is investigating the matter and the public prosecutor may or may not decide to file charges. The publishers might have filed a lawsuit themselves, but that is very expensive so they hope the legal system will do it for them. My guess is that the investigation will be closed because I don't think Swedish authorities think they have jurisdiction over Facebook. Unless Meta happens to have offices in Sweden, which I don't think they have. In general they can only prosecute crimes committed in Sweden or committed by Swedes.