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The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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Add in some evolutionary strategies, and you have the recipe for a good sci-fi book: a fungus in Chernobyl rapidly outpaces its competitors due to its ability to absorb radiation. Each iteration grows and reproduces faster, until it is so blindingingly fast that it begins to outpace the output the fuel rods produce. The world rejoices as this fungus is perfect for cleaning up nuclear waste products, until we realize…

This lines up with a book idea I've had for like 20 years. Crazy! Don't wait to write sci-fi I suppose! Life may catch up, haha.

Idea is nothing, execution is everything.

Just write it if you want to.

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add in some evolutionary strategies, and you have the recipe for a good sci-fi book: a fungus in Chernobyl rapidly outpaces its competitors due to its ability to absorb radiation. Each iteration grows and reproduces faster, until it is so blindingingly fast that it begins to outpace the output the fuel rods produce. The world rejoices as this fungus is perfect for cleaning up nuclear waste products, until we realize…

This lines up with a book idea I've had for like 20 years. Crazy! Don't wait to write sci-fi I suppose! Life may catch up, haha.

I'm trying to work out how the fungus evolves to grow its food source by causing radioactivity increase?

It can concentrate radionuclides, but the step function after inducing some criticality is likely to cause reproductive difficulty (stopping fungus evolution).

Plus: heavy metals combined with organics have a tendency towards being nasty poisonous

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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I did some basic calculations to compare the energy in the radiation vs the energy required to grow 10% extra. - If we assume they are working in the reactor we get radiation levels of something like 1 mGy/hour. But we can prop this up to mabye 500 mGy/hour since i dont know how they grew their culture - That leads to 0.05 J of extra energy per gram of microbial bio material. - Energy needed to grow 1g of microbial b…

I also did some back of the envelope calculations. Here's what I got: the radiation level just 1 meter away from the "elephant foot" (the solidified molten core), at the time of the accident was about 1000 times lower than the solar irradiation. At 100 meters it was 10 million times lower (because of the inverse square law). Now, the radiation from the elephant foot has decreased significantly. I couldn't find a rece…

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Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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This would be a cool origin story for astrophage (from Project Hail Mary, a fun & light sci fi read by the Martian guy)

Also this is how the protomolecile from The Expanse feeds. It can absorb pretty much any radiation across the whole spectrum.

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This lines up with a book idea I've had for like 20 years. Crazy! Don't wait to write sci-fi I suppose! Life may catch up, haha.

Idea is nothing, execution is everything. Just write it if you want to.

I had a similar thought, ideas are cheap. Loads of people are like "I have this GREAT idea for an app, I just need a developer to build it!"... as if the idea on its own has value.

Unfortunately and / or fortunately thanks to AI tech, anyone with an idea can now throw it at an AI and see it materialise.

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add in some evolutionary strategies, and you have the recipe for a good sci-fi book: a fungus in Chernobyl rapidly outpaces its competitors due to its ability to absorb radiation. Each iteration grows and reproduces faster, until it is so blindingingly fast that it begins to outpace the output the fuel rods produce. The world rejoices as this fungus is perfect for cleaning up nuclear waste products, until we realize…

A variation on the Gray Goo scenario. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo

I'm going to do it, don't click this if you value the next 72 hours or so of your life: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add in some evolutionary strategies, and you have the recipe for a good sci-fi book: a fungus in Chernobyl rapidly outpaces its competitors due to its ability to absorb radiation. Each iteration grows and reproduces faster, until it is so blindingingly fast that it begins to outpace the output the fuel rods produce. The world rejoices as this fungus is perfect for cleaning up nuclear waste products, until we realize…

Some fungi are already the largest organisms on earth at >200 km^2 Armillaria ostoyae ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillaria_ostoyae ) Consider when organisms must pass, that these ancient fungi likely still consume the host... Thus, on a 8000 year timescale most fungi doesn't necessarily need to pursue food that naturally dies in around a century. Yeasts are already sharing your body along with numerous other or…

Explainer: Armillaria ostoyae first parisitises trees and after they die (or are killed) then it shifts to a saprophytic mode to decompose the tree.

My summary after wondering why you chose the word "consume".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillaria_ostoyae

  rivals the aspen grove "Pando" as the known organism with the highest living biomass and perhaps rivalled by a colony of Posidonia australis on the Australian seabed that measures 200 square kilometres (edited)

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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I did some basic calculations to compare the energy in the radiation vs the energy required to grow 10% extra. - If we assume they are working in the reactor we get radiation levels of something like 1 mGy/hour. But we can prop this up to mabye 500 mGy/hour since i dont know how they grew their culture - That leads to 0.05 J of extra energy per gram of microbial bio material. - Energy needed to grow 1g of microbial b…

Add in some evolutionary strategies, and you have the recipe for a good sci-fi book: a fungus in Chernobyl rapidly outpaces its competitors due to its ability to absorb radiation. Each iteration grows and reproduces faster, until it is so blindingingly fast that it begins to outpace the output the fuel rods produce. The world rejoices as this fungus is perfect for cleaning up nuclear waste products, until we realize…

Its only regret… not developing resistance to polyene antifungals.

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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I did some basic calculations to compare the energy in the radiation vs the energy required to grow 10% extra. - If we assume they are working in the reactor we get radiation levels of something like 1 mGy/hour. But we can prop this up to mabye 500 mGy/hour since i dont know how they grew their culture - That leads to 0.05 J of extra energy per gram of microbial bio material. - Energy needed to grow 1g of microbial b…

Add in some evolutionary strategies, and you have the recipe for a good sci-fi book: a fungus in Chernobyl rapidly outpaces its competitors due to its ability to absorb radiation. Each iteration grows and reproduces faster, until it is so blindingingly fast that it begins to outpace the output the fuel rods produce. The world rejoices as this fungus is perfect for cleaning up nuclear waste products, until we realize…

They don't eat the radioactive material and make it not radioactive.

[Assuming they use the radiation to get energy [1].] They just wait patiently until the radioactive atoms decay and emit radiation, like a gamma ray, and then absorb the gamma ray and use the energy. The half life of the radioactive material does not change.

[1] I still doubt this claim, but let's go along assuming the best case.

Re: The mysterious black fungus from Chernobyl that may eat radiation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A variation on the Gray Goo scenario. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo

I'm going to do it, don't click this if you value the next 72 hours or so of your life: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

Whew thank goodness I was already exposed to that once and am, like other plagues, thus inoculated.
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