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Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

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Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#41

reminds me of the famous tachyum prodigy vapourware https://www.tachyum.com/

Well, this has already taped-out whereas the entire reason people call the tachyum prodigy vapourware is that they keep missing their target dates for tapeout and keep delaying it.

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#42

I can ensure you it's not vaporware at all. silicon is running in the fab, application boards have finished the design phase, software stack validated...

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need to create an account to reply to people like you who pretend to know. I do not promise anything, I am just giving facts.

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#45

I don’t get the negativity. The specs look impressive. It is always good to have competition. They announced tapeout in October with planned dev boards next year. Vaporware is when things don’t appear, not when they are on their way (it takes some time for hardware). It’s also strategically important for Europe to have its own supply. The current and last US administration have both threatened to limit supply of AI c…

> Vaporware is when things don’t appear, not when they are on their way

How do you tell the difference? Wait infinitely long and see if it appears?

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#46

I don’t get the negativity. The specs look impressive. It is always good to have competition. They announced tapeout in October with planned dev boards next year. Vaporware is when things don’t appear, not when they are on their way (it takes some time for hardware). It’s also strategically important for Europe to have its own supply. The current and last US administration have both threatened to limit supply of AI c…

> Vaporware is when things don’t appear, not when they are on their way How do you tell the difference? Wait infinitely long and see if it appears?

If the company is working in isolation (this company is not), the company is continuously pushing back on time frames (they haven't, at least yet), the company never enter actual fabrication/production (which they just did) or if the company never release any details what so ever (they have), then it looks more like vaporware than just "It'll be coming soon".

If those things are true in ~6 months, then I'll join the crowd here who are overly pessimistic at this moment, but until then, as most of the time, I'll give them benefit of the doubt.

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#47

Even if it's not vapourware, the website makes it look like one. Just look at those two graphs titled "Jotunn 8 Outperforms the Market" and "More Speed For the Bucks" (!) ; WTH?

The silly verbiage can be excused but not the graphs with completely unlabeled data points, IMO.

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#48

I don’t get the negativity. The specs look impressive. It is always good to have competition. They announced tapeout in October with planned dev boards next year. Vaporware is when things don’t appear, not when they are on their way (it takes some time for hardware). It’s also strategically important for Europe to have its own supply. The current and last US administration have both threatened to limit supply of AI c…

>I don’t get the negativity. Where do you see the negativity? I don't believe labeling healthy skepticism and criticism as negativity to farm artificial sympathy in retaliation, does any good to anyone. Humans have pattern recognition capabilities for a reason, and if a company is triggering that in them, then it's best expressed why(probably because they saw this MO before and got burned) instead of just cheerleadin…

> Where do you see the negativity?

First comment: "Looks expensive, I'm guessing"

Second comment: "Probably vaporware"

6th comment: "They haven't disclosed any release date, Lots of chip startups start as this kind of vaporware" (they did literally just enter fabrication it seems)

10th comment: "So far, they just talk about it."

Maybe it looks differently now, after 14 hours since the submission was made, but initially yesterday, most of the comments were unfounded (and poorly researched) criticism.

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#49

I can ensure you it's not vaporware at all. silicon is running in the fab, application boards have finished the design phase, software stack validated...

Guessing you work at Vsora, been there or at least know someone there? Any interest in sending out demos/sample hardware to European-based hackers who could spread the word if it ends up actually being a really nice device and developer experience? I can sacrifice myself and serve up bug reports as well :)

Re: Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip

#50

Even if it's not vapourware, the website makes it look like one. Just look at those two graphs titled "Jotunn 8 Outperforms the Market" and "More Speed For the Bucks" (!) ; WTH?

The people who build landing pages for hardware startups are usually (almost always) not the same people who design and build the actual hardware, for better or worse. A lot of the times, it's a outsourced web design agency who receive a brief, often written by business people, and finally the website is reviewed by business people, with some feedback from technical people who complain about the graphs, accuracy and so on. Then the business people say "But we need to point out we're faster than everyone else" and the engineers reply with "Sure, ok, whatever, I have actual work to do, sounds good".
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