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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Post by anonym29 »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #45
cbeach wrote: post #17

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In the UK we've had an authoritarian Conservative government for 14 years, followed by an even more authoritarian Labour government, which we'll have until 2029. In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/... Reform will repeal some of the awful legislation that's been passed over the last few years (e.g. Online Safety Act). They've been l…

America also has a party that always runs on the idea of small government and restoring rights to the people. Every time they get power, they do the exact opposite.

>America also has a party that always runs on the idea of small government and restoring rights to the people. Every time they get power, they do the exact opposite.

You seem to be confused. The Libertarian Party never gets any power. The closest we get is representatives like Ron Paul, Justin Amash, and Thomas Massie, who run as Republicans (which are NOT the party of small government, despite what you may have been told) while acting much more like Libertarians.

Thomas Massie in particular is famous for frequently and routinely standing up against Trump, much to Trump's chagrin.

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Post by ekianjo »

maybewhenthesun wrote: post #48
paganel wrote: post #36

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Because that's what autocracies in anything but name usually do. Who's going to stop them?

The EU is more of a bureaucracy than a real autocracy. Lots of members with veto powers and the like. There is a lot wrong with the EU (the system). Opaque power structures, backroom deals, corruption. But I wouldn't call it an autocracy.

Aristocracy is the correct word

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Post by pas »

hoppp wrote: post #137

I thought chatcontrol was dropped. What happened?

it's a long process of negotiations, currently in this form it was approved by the council, it'll then go to the parliament

the requirement to backdoor e2e was dropped, and who knows what will eventually remain of the reporting requirements, etc.

of course if a company is processing unencrypted images they might be required to use some service to flag them

...

will we end up in yet another false positive flood? who knows

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Post by myrmidon »

baiac wrote: post #119
myrmidon wrote: post #115

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Hard disagree on this. Immigration was the only realistic option to shield against demographic collapse and stabilize unskilled labor supply for decades, and it is no suprise that politicians took it. I honestly think that if politicians had blocked this (reform style) in 2000, the resulting economic slowdown and increasing cost for labor intensive products would've seen them voted out in short order. I do agree that…

"stabilising unskilled labour" in this context means dumping the salaries of the natives, making it so unskilled sectors no longer provide a living wage.

Sure, but local supply of labor was looking even worse than now back then, and cost of labor intensive stuff like daycare, nursing homes/residential care have gone through the roof, still.

Just look at how Brexit alone affected lorry driver wages; if you cut immigration 25 years ago, you'd have seen the same effect across multiple sectors magnifying each other (because labor supply is simply insufficient), and there is a lot of people that would have suffered from higher costs in all those sectors without getting any compensation.

As a "sanity check" for this: If the UK economy did not "need" immigrant labor, you would expect significant unemployment and very high difficulty in finding unskilled labor jobs. Neither is the case.

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Post by jbstack »

hn_throw2025 wrote: post #105
jbstack wrote: post #23

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"a more libertarian government" As long as you are white British. If you're anything else you're probably going to be worse off under Farage. It's a shame that if you want to vote for someone with different policies to the two main parties, you have to accept that you are also voting for an outspoken racist.

I’ve seen white British a couple of times in this thread. Reform policy is being drawn up by a team that’s led by a British Pakistani : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zia_Yusuf

Reform is also headed by a guy who regularly used phrases like "Hitler was right", "gas them all", and "go home, Paki" as an 18 year old (confirmed by 20+ former classmates).

Ordinarily we might give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe he's matured and grown up since then. But the fact that he's called all of those classmates liars says that either they are all liars, or he is dishonest about his racism.

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Post by exasperaited »

cbeach wrote: post #120
exasperaited wrote: post #60

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> In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government Haha you're so funny. If Reform get from, what is it right now, five -- or four, or six, depending on how the wind blows — MPs to 326 MPs, which is enough to secure the majority they think they are getting, then libertarian is not what that government will be. It will be populist, white and significantly authoritarian, because pure tabloid authoritarian t…

> libertarian is not what that government will be How can you be so sure? Why do you assume that everything that the Reform chairman, Zia Yusuf (head of policy) is lies? What, from his history, suggests that he is a liar? > catastrophic issues already affecting Reform councils like Kent. A small number of councillors left, but KCC is still a strong Reform majority. Councillors come and go throughout the year (just lo…

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Post by GeoAtreides »

ekianjo wrote: post #142
GeoAtreides wrote: post #123

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what do you mean, a slow bureaucracy is a democratic bureaucracy. the last thing you want is a highly efficient bureaucracy enacting change quickly. This message brought to you by the Bureau of Sabotage

There is nothing democratic about the process. It's all unelected politicians ruling for you

I was making a joke (and referencing a book); that being said, you're wrong, no unelected politicians are ruling for me or any other european citizen.

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Post by saubeidl »

sneak wrote: post #150
casenmgreen wrote: post #141

Seems to me this is a kind of advanced persistent threat. You defeat them one day, but they're still there, and they keep trying, day after day after day.

The purpose of the state is continuity of the state. The state is always the natural enemy of the people - specifically the liberty and privacy of the people. Any time you have a government, you will have a government that wishes to spy on you to make sure you will never attempt a competing government/army.

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Post by lenkite »

surgical_fire wrote: post #112
hn_throw2025 wrote: post #82

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Identical in every respect other than those with the power to initiate legislation are completely immune to voter displeasure. The Commission have no direct link to the electorate and the your country's (sorry, “state”) Council representatives can hide behind collective consensus.

> Identical in every respect other than those with the power to initiate legislation are completely immune to voter displeasure. You are aware that those with power to initiate legislation are appointed by national governments right? If you are unhappy with how your country posed itself in those propositions, you can and should vote for parties that have different stances.

How do the people kick out a EU representative ? Without the power to do so, it is not a "democracy".
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