Live data from Hacker News

How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

bbc.com

41–50 of 96 posts

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#41

Interestingly, Peanuts started with a focus on Shermy and Violet as the 'straight men' and young(er) Charlie Brown as the comic upstart. Snoopy shows up fairly soon, but he doesn't even seem to be CB's pet for the first while. It's fascinating to see Lucy, Linus, Schroeder and Sally grow from tots or babies to the developed characters we know today.

> Snoopy shows up fairly soon, but he doesn't even seem to be CB's pet for the first while.

Snoopy shows up in the third strip, by which point the count of total appearances is Patty: 3, Charlie Brown: 2, Shermy: 1, and Snoopy: 1.

He appears again in strip 5, but it takes until his third appearance (in strip 8) before he can be identified as Charlie Brown's dog. He remains somewhat ambiguous:

strip 8: Charlie Brown is reading at home, accompanied by Snoopy.

strip 11: Shermy is eating (presumably at home?), accompanied by Snoopy.

strip 12: Shermy takes Snoopy for a walk, holding him on a leash.

1950-10-21: Shermy, Patty, and Snoopy are walking together when they encounter Charlie Brown.

1950-10-25: Patty is speaking on the phone (at home?); Snoopy is present.

1950-11-07: Charlie Brown delivers a lecture to Snoopy beginning "You don't seem to realize that I'm the boss in this house!"; he is interrupted by a call from his mother.

1950-11-13: Patty receives Charlie Brown at her home; Snoopy is already present.

1950-11-25: Charlie Brown says goodbye to Snoopy before going to bed; Snoopy is shown to be able to hear him as he says "I'll see you in the morning" from his bedroom.

1950-12-05: Patty is walking Snoopy on a leash when they run into Charlie Brown.

1950-12-13: Snoopy is playing on the footboard of Charlie Brown's bed while he tries to go to sleep.

1951-01-23: Charlie Brown is writing in his diary while Snoopy watches.

1951-02-02: Charlie Brown yells at Snoopy to stop following him; Patty intervenes to point out that Snoopy "lives in that direction", which you'd expect Charlie Brown to know if they lived together.

(1951-02-07: Violet is introduced.)

1951-04-27: Shermy is building a birdhouse; Charlie Brown assumes it's supposed to be a doghouse for Snoopy.

1951-05-22: An unknown character calls Snoopy to suppertime.

(1951-05-30: Schroeder is introduced.)

1951-08-27: Schroeder (who is a baby) eats from Snoopy's dog dish; Snoopy gets revenge by climbing into Schroeder's high chair and eating from his tray. Snoopy's dish (which is labeled "SNOOPY") is next to the high chair, implying that Snoopy lives with Schroeder.

1951-09-04: Charlie Brown is assigned (by someone speaking over the phone) to mow the grass around Snoopy's doghouse.

1951-09-12: Charlie Brown has a large portrait of Snoopy hanging in his room.

(1951-11-14: Violet holds a football for Charlie Brown to kick. At the last minute, afraid he'll kick her hand, she flinches away and he goes flying into the air.)

(1951-11-26: Schroeder says his first word, "Beethoven".)

1951-12-15: Charlie Brown repairs the roof on Snoopy's doghouse.

Snoopy is frequently shown in association with Charlie Brown, welcoming him home or hearing him unwrap a candy bar, but an explicit statement of ownership doesn't come up.

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#42

I'm a musician, and something I've noticed is that children no longer recognize the "peanuts" theme song.

The Thanksgiving and Christmas specials aired every year, and might still. But who has an antenna any more? I do.

The combination of cable-cutting and the fact that many people either can't access OTA (or don't bother) probably means that a lot of the content that people reflexively tuned into over various holidays just doesn't happen any longer. Even if some of it is on streaming, it's not an automatic holiday thing.

I can't get OTA and cut cable TV so I don't get a lot of things without effort that I don't generally go to.

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#43

Interestingly, Peanuts started with a focus on Shermy and Violet as the 'straight men' and young(er) Charlie Brown as the comic upstart. Snoopy shows up fairly soon, but he doesn't even seem to be CB's pet for the first while. It's fascinating to see Lucy, Linus, Schroeder and Sally grow from tots or babies to the developed characters we know today.

There was a long read article that came out a few years ago called "How Snoopy Killed Peanuts:" https://kotaku.com/how-snoopy-killed-peanuts-1724269473 about how Peanuts lost it's edge once the "cute" popular dog was introduced, whereas prior it used to be more subversive, philosophical/theoretical with darker material.

It's too bad that there are probably meant to be so many example comics in that article, judging from how it's written, and what's really there is just ads where the comics are probably supposed to be. Wonder what happened.

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#44
In France we recognize Snoopy and people would call the whole "world" of the comics "Snoopy". "Peanuts" is unknown. I am 55 for the context.

We would somehow recognize Charlie Brown, but not by name. The other characters are basically unknown.

The reason is that Peanuts was not part of the mainstream comics books we were reading as children. Threre were two kind of them: proper books such as Astérix, and thick "anthologies" such as Pif which were a set of what Americans call "strips".

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#45

I'm a musician, and something I've noticed is that children no longer recognize the "peanuts" theme song.

I wish Vince Guaraldi had lived longer, I really like his style of Jazz, its both the kind of thing you can leave on in the background, and its music that takes you places.

Cast your fate to the Wind and Alma-Ville are still some favorites.

I also consider his arrangement of the peanuts music into a cohesive whole to be pretty masterful - its out of print now, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Charlie_Brown_Suite_%26_Ot...

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#46
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a long read article that came out a few years ago called "How Snoopy Killed Peanuts:" https://kotaku.com/how-snoopy-killed-peanuts-1724269473 about how Peanuts lost it's edge once the "cute" popular dog was introduced, whereas prior it used to be more subversive, philosophical/theoretical with darker material.

It's too bad that there are probably meant to be so many example comics in that article, judging from how it's written, and what's really there is just ads where the comics are probably supposed to be. Wonder what happened.

Kokatu was part of Gawker which was killed by Peter Thiel (who went after Gawker media by funding lawsuits against them after they outed him as gay).

https://medium.com/@celestineriza/how-peter-thiel-took-down-...

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#47

I'm a musician, and something I've noticed is that children no longer recognize the "peanuts" theme song.

The Thanksgiving and Christmas specials aired every year, and might still. But who has an antenna any more? I do.

Apple bought the rights years ago, PBS cannot show them anymore, they are now behind a paywall.

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#48
Does anyone simply not get how this comic got so popular? I've never read a strip from this comic and once felt anything interesting. It's not a Calvin and Hobbes, it's not a Howard the Duck, it's just... I dunno, cute? I guess people like it because it's kinda cute?

I know, I'm being something of a Bah Humbug, but I legitimately cannot see the draw of this comic. It reminds me of Family Circus - no story, just vaguely cute things grannies would seemingly like to see?

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#49
post #21

"Snoopy Come Home" wrecked me as a kid, just absolutely flattened me. Looking back on it now, it’s wild to consider this level of depression was aimed at children. I’m not knocking it; honestly, I kind of treasure how hard I cried over it. And that’s before you even touch the whole anti-segregation angle running through the story.

Ha same here, I remember bawling my eyes out watching it on TV, to my parents bemusement as to what was the big deal.

Re: How Charles M Schulz created Charlie Brown and Snoopy (2024)

#50
post #48

Does anyone simply not get how this comic got so popular? I've never read a strip from this comic and once felt anything interesting. It's not a Calvin and Hobbes, it's not a Howard the Duck, it's just... I dunno, cute? I guess people like it because it's kinda cute? I know, I'm being something of a Bah Humbug, but I legitimately cannot see the draw of this comic. It reminds me of Family Circus - no story, just vague…

its super nihilistic and depressive, its the best on making your feel bad
Post reply on HN