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Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by zelphirkalt »

cromka wrote: post #140
zelphirkalt wrote: post #135

While we are at Snapdragon processors ... Does anyone know what (not so technical-)user friendly distro runs without too many issues on a Snapdragon 850? I found Mobian listing Snapdragon 845, but I don't know at all, if that is almost the same or not compatible at all.

Tried postmarketOS yet?

I explored their site, but they only list supported devices, not supported CPUs, which leaves me guessing, whether their OS even works on this CPU. And since I don't really know that, it seems to be a lot of effort needed to use their tooling for non-supported devices, to make an installation image. Though I have not tried that yet. It only made me doubt, whether I could succeed that way.

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by tomhow »

imcritic wrote: post #102
vanviegen wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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TiredOfLife wrote: post #65
imcritic wrote: post #2

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Please don't perpetuate political battle or make personal attacks on people on HN, no matter how right you are or feel you are. The topic of this thread is "Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 mobile platform". Let's keep comments on that topic, and definitely not pollute it with personal attacks on individuals over the actions of their government. In case there's any perception that I'm "taking sides", I've replied to the commenter who initiated this subthread too, but it's not OK to reply to a bad comment with another bad one.

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by beeflet »

Voultapher wrote: post #111
kbenson wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incentives trump feelings for publicly traded companies 99 times out of 100. People constantly anthropomorphize them, but they aren't people (regardless of similarities in the law), and they definitely don't act like people, at least normal ones. At best, you can view them as something like a sociopath. I wouldn't look at a sociopath acting nicer and think "oh, they turned over a new leaf" because they aren't just go…

I like to call them slow-AI. They are paperclip optimizing AIs. No single component wants the larger outcomes, yet they happen. These slow-AIs are terraforming our planet into a less habitable one in order to make GDP number go up, at any cost.

The slow AIs are driven by consumer behavior. Paperclip optimizers die pretty quickly without demand for paperclips.

The inputs and the outputs of the AI are always human-facing, so the goals vaguely resemble human values (even if the values are greed).

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by musicale »

modeless wrote: post #156
nrclark wrote: post #119

If anybody in Qualcomm leadership is reading this thread: this is a good start, and I applaud you for it. There is also a lot more to do if you're serious about growing your market penetration beyond phones. The drivers might be up on LKML, but they're not mainlined yet. And this is just gen5. It would be great if you could fix your gen4 and 4.5 drivers, so that people building products with your chips weren't stuck…

Second best, after Apple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm#2015–2024:_NXP,_Broad...

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by musicale »

kop316 wrote: post #18

As someone who uses Mobile Linux, I am pretty excited to see this, but I can't help but wonder if this is only a "Business decision" and not necessarily Qualcomm turning over a new leaf for being FOSS friendly: - Their Snapdragon X laptop didn't do very well, and they likely realize an ARM Windows laptop will always be a second class citizen: https://www.techpowerup.com/329255/snapdragon-x-failed-qualc... . - Likewis…

> Microsoft leads the adoption of the Snapdragon X, having integrated the platform across much of its Surface lineup

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-lapt...

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by TheDong »

DeathArrow wrote: post #160
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #147

Qualcomm did this in 2024. They pushed some patches to LKML, and issued a press release to brag about it. ( https://www.qualcomm.com/developer/blog/2024/05/upstreaming-... ) Yet 2 days ago, Tuxedo Computers announced they were abandoning Qualcomm due to crap support. ( https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/26/tuxedo_axes_arm_lapto... ). In particular, the long battery runtimes – usually one of the strong arguments for…

>Yet 2 days ago, Tuxedo Computers announced they were abandoning Qualcomm due to crap support. ( Does Apple offer better support? Qualcomm offers commercial support. I guess Tuuxedo Computers didn't pay for the support?

Apple is a non-sequitur. Tuuxedo is giving up on Qualcomm in favor of AMD and Intel.

Do AMD and Intel require Tuuxedo to pay for premium support in order to get working Linux drivers? No, of course not.

Qualcomm's support for Linux is embarrassing when you compare it to pretty much any processor manufacturer except Apple.

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by Postosuchus »

Snapdragon X Elite laptops have been out for the last two years, if not more. How much has Qualcomm did over this time to make Linux work on those devices - almost nothing. As of 2 months ago, the best you could do was a special cut of Ubuntu that kinda sorta booted on those machines and required Windows to be present in order to pull some drivers.

So how about you give me a fucking break, Qualcomm? Call back when Snapdragon has first class support in major distros and you are serious about Linux.

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by MangoToupe »

Voultapher wrote: post #111
kbenson wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incentives trump feelings for publicly traded companies 99 times out of 100. People constantly anthropomorphize them, but they aren't people (regardless of similarities in the law), and they definitely don't act like people, at least normal ones. At best, you can view them as something like a sociopath. I wouldn't look at a sociopath acting nicer and think "oh, they turned over a new leaf" because they aren't just go…

I like to call them slow-AI. They are paperclip optimizing AIs. No single component wants the larger outcomes, yet they happen. These slow-AIs are terraforming our planet into a less habitable one in order to make GDP number go up, at any cost.

I've said for years that the market itself is the best real-world parallel to skynet, not some AGI or superintelligent machine.

Re: Same-day upstream Linux support for Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5

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Post by gessha »

kop316 wrote: post #18

As someone who uses Mobile Linux, I am pretty excited to see this, but I can't help but wonder if this is only a "Business decision" and not necessarily Qualcomm turning over a new leaf for being FOSS friendly: - Their Snapdragon X laptop didn't do very well, and they likely realize an ARM Windows laptop will always be a second class citizen: https://www.techpowerup.com/329255/snapdragon-x-failed-qualc... . - Likewis…

Their problem was that they had the performance claims and marketing of Apple but the implementation of Microsoft Teams. Apple M1 was shaky but all the groundwork was there and it took off. Qualcomm was highly questionable at best.
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