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Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by Anthony-G »

shevy-java wrote: post #12

I am always so peaceful when listening to heavy metal ... :D I think the article should focus more on good music elements versus bad music elements. My brain gets annoyed at bad music. Good music can be useful though, in particular for relaxing. I normally dislike jazz-elements, but Sade for instance is acceptable (not pure jazz, but she uses jazzy elements).

I'm more a fan of atmospheric black metal, 80's thrash and prog metal, myself but the psychological effects of listening to death metal have been researched. As previously discussed on Hacker News:

Dissecting the Bloodthirsty Bliss of Death Metal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18335308

Death metal music inspires joy not violence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19383699

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by flave »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #28
dev_hugepages wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of understand where they come from: science vulgarization in pop news has been riddled with misinterpretation or lack of depth which can mislead the general public.

Can't that be communicated without calling anyone a know-nothing hack?

I’m not gonna delete it as it’s just going to make comments like yours confusing for people, but that was poor phrasing from me.

It gave the impression that this specific journalist knows nothing, which is unfair.

I was trying to be funny (always risky online) and intended to be speaking humorously about science journalism in generally. In hindsight, my phrasing doesn’t do that, and actually doesn’t communicate what I was saying very well.

I stand by my criticism of science journalism in general and my request that the article is just posted. But my wording was very rough, ultimately didn’t make the point I intended and yes might frustrate some people. If someone is extremely upset or hurt by my comment then, I think, at some stage that isn’t my fault and the Internet might not be right for that person.

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by have_faith »

gniv wrote: post #35

I will have surgery soon. If I ask the surgeon to allow me to listen to music during the surgery, will they allow it? I know it depends on hospital/surgeon/etc, but I'm wondering how much doctors are willing to deviate from protocol in general.

Not the same but I wore ear buds and listened to music while having a tooth pulled, they didn’t mind.

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by ucha »

flave wrote: post #2

Better to link the actual study rather than what a know-nothing hack has to say about it: https://mmd.iammonline.com/index.php/musmed/article/view/111... Nothing against the BBC but the most thoughtful journalist has all the scientific knowledge of Tarot Reader’s cat. Anyway, n=56 which is fine I guess but leaves loads of margin for error. Personally, I had a cystoscope and at the time had fancy health insurance so w…

n=56 doesn't give you much information regarding the margin of error, unless you practice Tarot Reader's cat science. The standard deviation of outcomes and the difference between both outcomes matter just as much.

If I flip a coin 56 times and it always falls on head, I can be pretty much certain that it's not a fair coin. I wouldn't need to flip it 1000 times. We are all someone else's "know-nothing hack"...

Re: Music eases surgery and speeds recovery, study finds

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Post by waterhouse »

nelox wrote: post #24
terabytest wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point out the issues with the article?

The core issue is that the BBC report inflates what the study actually shows. The paper is a small, single-centre RCT of one specific surgery (laparoscopic cholecystectomy). Its primary outcome is a modest reduction in propofol and fentanyl dose under a very specific anaesthetic protocol. It does not demonstrate broadly faster recovery or an across-the-board clinical benefit. The authors themselves are cautious and e…

> Its primary outcome is a modest reduction in propofol and fentanyl dose under a very specific anaesthetic protocol.

Ooh, that sounds like p-hacking. How many other protocols, and other potential outcomes in general, did they look at before picking the one to publish? If it's on the order of 20, then we can expect they'd encounter such a result by pure chance.

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