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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by testdelacc1 »

creato wrote: post #559
testdelacc1 wrote: post #289

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God this entire thread is just people defending him as “a breath of fresh air” and “just using human language”. There is something in people that makes them enjoy seeing others belittled like this. A complete lack of empathy, because no one would like to be treated this way themselves, but are perfectly happy seeing others treated this way. One commenter justifies it by saying “if I’m fucking up, it’s ok to speak to…

> One commenter justifies it by saying “if I’m fucking up, it’s ok to speak to me this way”. Sure guy, we believe you. Did you read the issue at hand? This is not average people making "mistakes". This is severe incompetence at every layer of decision making, and a complete lack of care for quality work. If you want to be mad at someone for being unfair, be mad at the manager of these people for putting them in a pos…

> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Could you review the guidelines of this website and follow them?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by missingdays »

josephg wrote: post #557
noodletheworld wrote: post #499

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> I just don't like how they have to put out false claims like there are big problems with GH CI and Sponsors These aren't false claims. Thats my point. Microsoft can afford to make these tools better; they just dont care. Yes, its better than having nothing , but honestly you have to be wearing blinkers not to see the decline rn.

> Microsoft can afford to make these tools better; they just dont care. They certainly have enough money, but can they actually improve it? Who could step in? How? Do you think more hiring would help? Or would it make it worse? Leadership could try and step in by force. But they'd have to undermine whoever is running github actions to do so. It would be a huge, risky political move. And for what? Are they actually lo…

> Are they actually losing customers over gh actions? I doubt it.

Did you read the article?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by antirez »

kristoff_it wrote: post #523
kristoff_it wrote: post #503

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GitHub Actions are seriously broken and that alone is a technically sound enough reason to move: the sleep.sh bullshit has degraded the performance of our CI for a long time, as it regularly livelocks in an endless while(true) spin runner agents, who stop processing new jobs. The agent itself has poor platform support also because it has a runtime dependency on .NET, and lately GH Actions started running jobs out of…

As a side note, people said that not posting anymore on Twitter and leaving Reddit was also a death sentence for Zig. Time has passed and we're still alive so far, while in the meantime both platforms have started their final journey towards the promised lands of the elves. They won't get there tomorrow or the next month, but I'm sure there has been a time where people started moving from Sourceforge to GitHub and so…

I hope the best for Zig, Loris. But even if Zig will survive and prosper (I hope for both), still I believe this is not a sounding decision and not the right attitude. I hope I'm wrong, but I wanted to share with you my reasoning. Here you are moving away from the open source marketplace AND from your main revenue stream. It's not similar to not posting anymore to Twitter. A better parallel would be not posting anymore on Hacker News anything Zig related, in terms of potential outcome.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by debugnik »

dpatterbee wrote: post #81
dsissitka wrote: post #38

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Maybe the incident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41837782 https://dmpwn.info/

I'm confused, the incident is that he wrote a document detailing repeated bad behaviour from a well known community figure? And this is a bad thing? And that second link is really grasping at straws lol

He apparently pretended to not have written it despite its DNS pointing to his servers, and Certificate Transparency logs and Internet Archive all attributing the page to his domain. Compare the top comment thread in the first link above to his reply there:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41838124

I generally like Sourcehut and Drew's writing but I just learned about this and I find it disappointing.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by 63stack »

nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

I'm pretty sure the Zig Foundation does not have millions of dollars, contrary to Microsoft which has a market capitalization in the trillions, but consistently produces flaming garbage, product after product.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by Levitating »

joelreymont wrote: post #369
quirino wrote: post #35

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2]. [1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274

That one was poorly documented and may have been related to an issue in my code. I would offer this one instead. https://github.com/joelreymont/zig/pull/1

Just reading his blogposts, gross. He not only thinks he is actively contributing, he thinks he deserves credit.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by tjpnz »

shridharxp wrote: post #185
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

It's okay to bring some "natural" language in technical communication. It feels more humane. All the whitewashed corporate language, riddled marketing bullshit feels so soul dead.

As a corporate drone it's refreshing. Already planning to dedicate some of the holiday season to learning Zig and this latest move only makes it more enticing.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by Lyngbakr »

nake89 wrote: post #485
sundarurfriend wrote: post #382

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More context/discussion on this: https://discourse.julialang.org/t/ai-generated-enhancements-... (Honestly, that's a lot more patience than I'd be able to give what are mostly AI-generated replies, so kudos to these folk.)

When confronted about LLM writing completely broken tests the guy said the funniest thing: "It knows what it’s doing but tends to be… lazy." I'm a big fan of LLMs but this guy is just a joke. He understand nothing of the code the LLM generates. He says things like "The LLM knows". He is not going to convince anybody to merge is PRs, since he is not even checking that the tests the LLM generates are correct. It's a jo…

In a submission to OCaml, when asked why the files he submitted list someone else as an author he says,

    > Beats me. AI decided to do so and I didn't question it.°
I find that sort of attitude terrifying.

° https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/14369#issuecomment-35573...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by conartist6 »

mikelitoris wrote: post #252
quirino wrote: post #35

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2]. [1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274

oh god... he has a humongous AI generated PR for julia too https://github.com/tshort/StaticCompiler.jl/pull/180

Maybe this guy is it: the actual worst coder in the world
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