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New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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One of the saddest things I heard was a young kid say he's never heard the word masculinity unless it was paired with the word toxic before it. With that kind of attitude is this any wonder?

Sites like artofmanliness.com seem to be more and more needed in today's world.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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This will not change anytime soon; the "women are wonderful" talk is as relevant as it has ever been. Regardless of the criteria you choose to establish a ranking, males dominate the bottom of that ranking.

You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal.

People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people.

We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist society, directed by stupidoes like Trump and Musk

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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One of the saddest things I heard was a young kid say he's never heard the word masculinity unless it was paired with the word toxic before it. With that kind of attitude is this any wonder?

It is difficult to get society to accept that maybe it's time to balance the constant public and media validation of women with some public and media validation of men.

Disney has seen a bunch of Marvel flops since they switched the focus to Marvel properties that target women (they've since publicly indicated a course correction on this).

Take a bunch of IP that primarily males are interested in (super-heros), water it down so that it's less male focused, and then find that neither males nor females are interested.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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post #5

This will not change anytime soon; the "women are wonderful" talk is as relevant as it has ever been. Regardless of the criteria you choose to establish a ranking, males dominate the bottom of that ranking.

You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist socie…

> You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal.

Knee-jerk much? How on earth did you get "put down women" from what I wrote?

> People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people.

Where did you read that in the tiny little snippet I wrote?

Let me be clear, so that there is no misunderstanding -

1. Men dominate the bottom of almost every ranking. This is just another ranking.

Maybe before we try to fix this specific ranking, we should be asking ourselves why men are at the bottom in every ranking.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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It does feel a bit cruel that we were told to be vulnerable and open, and then when men said we’re lonely got accused of asking other people to fix our problems and that we just needed to deal with it.

Also I don’t think I’d risk being e.g. a teacher - the girls in my high school would casually joke about accusing their teachers of being creeps if they failed a test, etc.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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post #5

This will not change anytime soon; the "women are wonderful" talk is as relevant as it has ever been. Regardless of the criteria you choose to establish a ranking, males dominate the bottom of that ranking.

You don't understand much if you think that to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women. It's completely orthogonal. People in power want you to have this "I don't have what I want because this other minority takes it from me", but it's simply wrong, even though this argument seems to capture the mind of simple-minded people. We don't have what we want because we're in a ruthless capitalist socie…

> to fight the lack of mentors for men, you have to put down women

For sure you don't have to put women as a whole down. But society and media these days are generally dominated by the most toxic voices. Toxic feminism is a big issue, that's what we have to put down for this particular purpose.

Re: New research highlights a shortage of male mentors for boys and young men

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One of the saddest things I heard was a young kid say he's never heard the word masculinity unless it was paired with the word toxic before it. With that kind of attitude is this any wonder?

My friend’s son was four and had to have it explicitly explained to him that men can be scientists, too! Based on all the books he’d been read and other media, he assumed only women were scientists.
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