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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by throwaway150 »

ericpruitt wrote: post #166
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

> Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct

Not sure it does. Right there in the same link you posted:

  This document contains the rules that govern these spaces only:

  The ziglang organization on Codeberg
  #zig IRC channel on Libera.chat
  Zig project development Zulip chat

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by ThomasMidgley »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #209
ssivark wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> created by monkeys I don't particularly care for either Zig or Github, but... they do precisely cite the technical issues. That snippet links to a Github discussion comment https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3... (reproduced below) "The bug in this "safe sleep" script is obvious from looking at it: if the process is not scheduled for the one-second interval in which the loop would return (du…

Then blast the product, not the people who built it.

The product was made by people. Or by AI which was made and controlled by people.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by stabbles »

nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

The best free CI system in the world has macOS 15 runners running at 75% capacity due to a background process that consumes 100% CPU [1]. The problem is known to them since May but not fixed half a year later.

[1] https://github.com/actions/runner-images/issues/13358

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by lawn »

logicchains wrote: post #115
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Github is migrating from their old infra to Azure. Doing migrations like that is hard, no matter who you are. And from a business and engineering perspective I think it makes sense to leverage the economies of scale of Azure instead of GitHub running their own boxes.

Anyone being forced to use Azure has, at least temporarily until they can find a new job, lost at life, not necessarily through any fault of their own. The poor souls probably also have to use Teams.

> lost at life

It's so refreshing to read such a truly philosophical insight.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by kronks »

DeepYogurt wrote: post #41

Exhibit A is a github user joelreymont who seems to be making a habit of this behavior. He did a very similar spam on ocaml github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/14369

This is absolutely insane. If you look at joelreymonts recent activity on GitHub, there is what I would consider an bomb of AI slop PRs with thousands and thousands of changes, AI generated summaries/notes, copyright issues, you name it.

People like this are ruining open source for the rest of us, and those poor maintainers really have their work cut out for them sorting through this slop.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by procaryote »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #126

Very questionable decision. You're running what aims to be a major programming language - have it where people expect and live with your gripes about the platform. In retail you set up your store in the biggest mall with the most customers walking past - sure you can go set up in some back alley but don't expect customers to come to your store. This remains true even if the mall owns forget to mop the floor. This fee…

The messaging is questionable, but strengthening an open source alternative to a microsoft near-monopoly seems pretty good.

Perhaps people should stop expecting all source code to be on a microsoft platform?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #138
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

You're right, I've been hearing lots of good things about Zig and I wanted to check it out but I'm glad I saw this post. I want no part of this thing. I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good. Fact is, you don't need to call anyone names or insult them. The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic. I simply don't trust…

> I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good.

Is this blog post in a work setting? Oh my. You should probably run to HR and report unprofessional behavior!

Oh wait.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by kelnos »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #245
jakobnissen wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?

Code of Conduct cannot stop someone from doing something. It’s just a document. However, in this case, the presence of the code of conduct has made it trivially easy to point out the language as wrong in a way whoever wrote this for Zig cannot refute. It’s working exactly as it should.

How is it working? The post is still there, referring to people as "losers" and "monkeys". Was the author of the post chastised? Have they edited the post and apologized?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by joelreymont »

quirino wrote: post #35

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2]. [1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274

That one was poorly documented and may have been related to an issue in my code.

I would offer this one instead.

https://github.com/joelreymont/zig/pull/1

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by myaccountonhn »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Eh I thought it was on point. The github CEO talking about adopt ai or get out uses no curse words or direct insults, but i found it far more threatening and distasteful.

Hackernews seems to consistently believe that you can be terrible as long as you're polite.

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