I'm very happy with this and hope it's part of a larger trend to move software away from Big Co. I'll have to move my projects off GitHub too, so I'm not a hypocrite :)
Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#322> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…
It means to be snidely controversial.
> Putting aside GitHub’s relationship with ICE…
If you actual actually wanted to put that aside, you could have…put it aside.
(Plus it being weird on a substantive basis. Selectively blacklisting specific government agencies…that’s just not a sustainable approach.)
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#323> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…
Came here to say that. Killed my curiosity towards Zig in an instant. What a disrespect. A pity. Saw Zig as something rising but with this kind of toxicity, no thanks.
>A pity. Saw Zig as something rising but with this kind of toxicity, no thanks.
Don't get me wrong, it is a bit toxic. However, I feel like taking one comment in a larger article and blowing it up out of proportion is just as toxic.
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#324> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…
Well at least he's being a jerk on his own blog here, so it's easy to ignore. I've seen instances of him unreasonably lashing out without the decency of understanding others' writings first on third party properties. A quick search turned up https://discourse.llvm.org/t/rfc-libc-taking-a-dependency-on... can't remember the details of other instances.
Nothing to see there, sorry.
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.
Not everyone is that robust. People get hurt over things like that. Not everyone is a wizard who does not give a fuck and does not need to care. These are people for God's sake. Empathy!
If people get hurt over that they need to take some courses on building confidence...
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
vs…?
Apparently there's some specific US cultural history of people calling black people "monkeys" as a racist insult, and so some people from there immediately leap to assume that any use of "monkey" as an insult is that.
Oh wow.
Following now.
Sheesh.
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I agree that the writing in the blog post is more colorful than precise, but sanitizing every bit of expression dulls the internet. Humans invented language for a reason. Where do you draw the line, then? Is a racist screed acceptable to you as long as the following paragraph references technical issues correctly? The language in the blog post is insulting. Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrot…
Would you perhaps have preferred if they referred to it as "unprofessional" or "sloppy" instead alluding of monkeys? To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over. > Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrote this code, and now you are being called a monkey in front of thousands of people on the internet. Er.. so? Why should anyon…
Do you believe that Zig is following its own code of conduct, or not?
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#328> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2]. [1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274
I'm not sure if this is advanced trolling at this point.
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#329Good, rejecting reliance on Microsoft's centralized platform means less vulnerability to their evil policy/practices (AI, users/country bans, privacy, vendor-locking)
Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg
#330> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…
Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.
There is a difference between what you say to and about volunteers working for free on their hobby and what you say about the work of a company famously known as "The Death Star"
You want to work with people and the group says "yay and this is how we will work together" you do that or go away. This is entirely separate to stating a universal truth such as "Microsoft product blows because they do not care", "Oracle sucks" or famously "You can't anthropomorphise Larry Ellison"
Did Linus ever blow-torch community volunteers or did he get the pip purely with big corp submitting paid trash for their own purposes? He seems to cop a fair bit himself from people saying thou shalt not...
The standards differ. Microsoft is going to be ok guys.