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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by johnfn »

xedrac wrote: post #187
jimmyed wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the article is strongly worded, and Andrew seems quite angry/frustrated. However, it also gives me flashbacks of how it was back in the golden days, when Linus was calling wannabe kernel contributors idiots who should have died because they "couldn't find their mothers tit to suck on". Having low patience is a quirk of our nerd culture, and now that the woke season has ended, it seems to be going back to…

While I generally think constructive criticism is usually the right choice, I suspect Github will never get the message unless there are some very strongly worded criticisms. In Andrew's defense, he did post some constructive evidence of things he considered problematic.

A high-profile repository like Zig moving off of Github is as loud a message as one can give. Tossing in "losers" and "monkeys" only muddies the delivery.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by ulbu »

echelon wrote: post #55
munchler wrote: post #19

Calling the people who work on GitHub “losers” is not cool.

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someone called some indeterminate anonymous corporate group of people who actively participate in enshittification of a product “losers”. you call that specific private individual “rotten”.

i’m really twisting my finger at the temple here.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by tonymet »

pixelpoet wrote: post #129
tonymet wrote: post #93

Coderberg is nice , but their P80s are terrible. And they are hosted in Germany, which adds a few seconds to every remote command . I wouldn’t move business critical repos there . Everyone loses their mind when GitHub goes down once every 2 years . If codeberg provided SLas , they would probably breach them weekly

> And they are hosted in Germany, which adds a few seconds to every remote command Except, you know, if you live in Germany. Heaven forbid we get decent ping once in a while :)

You’re still going to get better p80s from GitHub , across the Atlantic

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by Veserv »

patates wrote: post #214
MarcelOlsz wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.

I could try to explain that most jobs are way more nuanced than just 'failing and deserving to be called a monkey' or 'not failing.' Or, I could just call you names for not seeing that, you could call me names back, and we can keep doing this forever.

Your argument is lacking nuance, declaring that the criticism being levied here must be a simple binary.

The specific error they are criticizing is extremely egregious, akin to builder declaring a house without a roof complete. “failing and deserving to be called a monkey” is a criticism being levied against a 0/100 level mistake, not a mere minor mistake as you are claiming.

While it might be desirable to use less colorful language, it is frankly challenging to express the sheer level of grossly incompetent organizational ineptitude on display here in a reviewed and delivered product actively causing negative customer impact for literal years which is trivially fixed and yet has been ignored.

Customers of Github should be infuriated that Github gleefully foists such utterly defective software upon them. It is hard to get that across in dispassionate writing.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by wilg »

lmm wrote: post #242
DANmode wrote: post #184

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vs…?

Apparently there's some specific US cultural history of people calling black people "monkeys" as a racist insult, and so some people from there immediately leap to assume that any use of "monkey" as an insult is that.

Ridiculous to claim this is a "US-specific thing" https://www.academia.edu/22669911/Comparing_black_people_to_...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by manquer »

p-e-w wrote: post #31
manquer wrote: post #15

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Issues and Pull requests are only optional features . Open source projects could always use GitHub as just git host/mirror like how torvalds/linux is setup .

Pull requests are not optional on GitHub. Users have been begging for more than a decade for an option to disable pull request for a repository, and GitHub continues to ignore them.

As another poster noted, you can disable it by limiting all interactions (6 months at a time). It is not ideal, but it does work to for PRs. You should also close all current PRs when you do that so users cannot push to those branches as well.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by wilg »

sapphicsnail wrote: post #260
mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

You're mad because they left a vendor because they switched to a different vendor that you think is just as bad but also you're accusing them of starting an "inevitable purity spiral?" Which one is it?

It's not in conflict. They are pointing out that in this case their stated goal was not achieved so it's pointless.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by oaiey »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Came here to say that. Killed my curiosity towards Zig in an instant. What a disrespect.

A pity. Saw Zig as something rising but with this kind of toxicity, no thanks.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by notepad0x90 »

random3 wrote: post #220
notepad0x90 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, I've been hearing lots of good things about Zig and I wanted to check it out but I'm glad I saw this post. I want no part of this thing. I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good. Fact is, you don't need to call anyone names or insult them. The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic. I simply don't trust…

Based on this rationale nobody should use Linux either =))

Linus losing is temper over a contributor messing up is not the same as calling people who maintain a free service (github - unless Zig was paying) monkeys. Correct me by all means, but did Linus call someone a personally denigrating name like that?

Either way, I like linux but I've avoided operating systems like freebsd and openbsd for less, so I agree. I've said plenty enough against Linus when he did lose his temper and started cussing at people.

And to be clear, I consider people who defend him (and in this case Andrew) far worse of an individual than the original offenders. People mess up, they're led astray by being put in positions of leadership and authority. That I get, and that's why i'm calling him out here. If he was random person, I wouldn't have bothered. But the enablers and defenders are the real problem. I hope you're not one of them. If you are, I consider you people responsible for every single work place bullying and toxic environment out there. People do great things without being classless uncivilized bullies.

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