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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by __loam »

mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

It seems like every organization in America is compromised in some way if you dig deep enough. Certainly you can find reasons for every big tech. There's still a balance to be struck though.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by mikelitoris »

quirino wrote: post #35

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2]. [1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274

oh god... he has a humongous AI generated PR for julia too https://github.com/tshort/StaticCompiler.jl/pull/180

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by petersellers »

throwaway150 wrote: post #239
petersellers wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over. And to many others, the difference is that one is informative, the other is likely to turn them off of the author and project forever. I noticed that you never answered my question. If this is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line? If you can answer that question, maybe you'll be able to see…

> the other is likely to turn them off of the author and project forever Which is absolutely fine. It's their project, their website. If they can't be colorful on their own website, where else can they be! If it turns off some people, I'm sure the author is aware of the risk and happy with that risk. I, for one, find this kind of colorful language refreshing. Everyone trying to be politically correct makes the intern…

not being an asshole != political correctness

Surely you have your own line on what is or is not acceptable discourse. What is it?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by baq »

xedrac wrote: post #187
jimmyed wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the article is strongly worded, and Andrew seems quite angry/frustrated. However, it also gives me flashbacks of how it was back in the golden days, when Linus was calling wannabe kernel contributors idiots who should have died because they "couldn't find their mothers tit to suck on". Having low patience is a quirk of our nerd culture, and now that the woke season has ended, it seems to be going back to…

While I generally think constructive criticism is usually the right choice, I suspect Github will never get the message unless there are some very strongly worded criticisms. In Andrew's defense, he did post some constructive evidence of things he considered problematic.

The most effective message GitHub can receive is when they don’t get to invoice you.

GHA in particular is a hot mess, I’m as surprised as a decade ago that anybody is using this crap. IMHO it’s bugs as a service kind of product, and the bugs start at the core design with the ‘pretend yaml but actually an unholy mix of shell, js and json’ language.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by blub »

mmaunder wrote: post #179
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Agreed. Came here to point out that the lack of professionalism and common courtesy here is reminiscent of the dark entitled days of open source in the late 90s that had attitude of "We build free software so we can tell you to go fuck yourself.". Hope we're not headed back there.

“We build free software so we can tell you to go fuck yourself.”

Sounds like a great thing compared to the sanitized corpo bullshit from nowadays. Microsoft bought themselves into OSS with github and each project has a bland CoC.

It’s pathetic. Even the github monkeys know deep down that this is wrong.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by sandmank »

mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

when the shit finally starts flying there is no better place to be than low down, in a dark corner, with clean hands, looking nothing like a pig

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by TiredOfLife »

shridharxp wrote: post #185
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

It's okay to bring some "natural" language in technical communication. It feels more humane. All the whitewashed corporate language, riddled marketing bullshit feels so soul dead.

But not when it's against coc

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by mikelitoris »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #138
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

You're right, I've been hearing lots of good things about Zig and I wanted to check it out but I'm glad I saw this post. I want no part of this thing. I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good. Fact is, you don't need to call anyone names or insult them. The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic. I simply don't trust…

microsoft employee detected. lol to all ms employees, keep downvoting...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by throwaway150 »

petersellers wrote: post #253
throwaway150 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the other is likely to turn them off of the author and project forever Which is absolutely fine. It's their project, their website. If they can't be colorful on their own website, where else can they be! If it turns off some people, I'm sure the author is aware of the risk and happy with that risk. I, for one, find this kind of colorful language refreshing. Everyone trying to be politically correct makes the intern…

not being an asshole != political correctness Surely you have your own line on what is or is not acceptable discourse. What is it?

> Surely you have your own line on what is or is not acceptable discourse. What is it?

I do but I decline to share it here. I'm not going to shift this thread from what the author is doing on their website to my personal beliefs and boundaries!

All I am saying is it is their project, their blog. They can be however much rude they want to be on their website. It's their website, their lines and their boundaries. Where I set my boundaries has no bearing on what Andrew should write on their website.

If Andrew alienates people by his writing, it's his decision, his action, his consequences that he has to deal with. How does it matter where I draw the line?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by sapphicsnail »

mmaunder wrote: post #208

They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

You're mad because they left a vendor because they switched to a different vendor that you think is just as bad but also you're accusing them of starting an "inevitable purity spiral?" Which one is it?
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