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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by Jach »

echelon wrote: post #55
munchler wrote: post #19

Calling the people who work on GitHub “losers” is not cool.

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Their "VP of Community" wrote this in 2020: https://kristoff.it/blog/addio-redis/ I didn't come across it until 2022. Still, particularly that and other writing from him and others convinced me the Zig community is full of goobers. That's not so bad, I have my tastes in immature humor and can sometimes be a goober too, but the application in that post's clearly-marked over-the-top skit still is just bizarre and doesn't encourage me to interact with them. To be more fair to the author and the community though, especially with respect to this GitHub migration, his more serious writing is better: https://kristoff.it/blog/the-open-source-game/ (2021). Some nice things said about Rust and the Rust community, even. In that he outlines a core position of "software you can love" being what he wants to create and inspire people to create, and how tents like "big tech" and "open source" don't really cater to that. The migration off of GitHub is predictable in the sense that GitHub stopped being something a lot of people loved a while ago -- of course some still love it, this tent creates obvious tension. (Though I don't know that Codeberg is any better and worthy of love. A few libraries I use have migrated to it and it seems fine at least, though them using Anubis is annoying and I've gotten the fail page of "Internal Server Error: administrator has misconfigured Anubis." a number of times. It does not spark joy in me.)

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by lolidiots »

ericpruitt wrote: post #166
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by petersellers »

MarcelOlsz wrote: post #196
adrianN wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.

I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.

I'm sure getting called a monkey will stop them from ever making a mistake again.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by patates »

MarcelOlsz wrote: post #196
adrianN wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.

I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.

I could try to explain that most jobs are way more nuanced than just 'failing and deserving to be called a monkey' or 'not failing.' Or, I could just call you names for not seeing that, you could call me names back, and we can keep doing this forever.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by ssivark »

petersellers wrote: post #207
ssivark wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> created by monkeys I don't particularly care for either Zig or Github, but... they do precisely cite the technical issues. That snippet links to a Github discussion comment https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3... (reproduced below) "The bug in this "safe sleep" script is obvious from looking at it: if the process is not scheduled for the one-second interval in which the loop would return (du…

> I agree that the writing in the blog post is more colorful than precise, but sanitizing every bit of expression dulls the internet. Humans invented language for a reason. Where do you draw the line, then? Is a racist screed acceptable to you as long as the following paragraph references technical issues correctly? The language in the blog post is insulting. Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrot…

Would you perhaps have preferred if they referred to it as "unprofessional" or "sloppy" instead alluding of monkeys?

To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over.

> Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrote this code, and now you are being called a monkey in front of thousands of people on the internet.

Er.. so? Why should anyone be allowed into a position of responsibility where their code impacts millions of people if they can't handle the tiniest bit of strong feedback? It was, after all, a pretty egregious bug.

> Certainly you've made mistakes in your code before...or are you saying you've always written flawless code without errors?

I've definitely made mistakes, and also accept that my output might have on occasion been "monkey-esque". I don't see what's insulting about that; we are all human/animal.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by pier25 »

miki123211 wrote: post #61

PSA: Codeberg currently does not implement accessible account registration. It is impossible for screen reader users to make a Codeberg account due to the image-only captcha. There's a manual fallback path, but no idea how long that takes. I've been forced to use the Wikimedia one, and that was about 3 months. This has been pointed out to them many times, and it's seemingly not something they're willing to fix. If yo…

How is accessibility a political issue?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by satoru42 »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #209
ssivark wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> created by monkeys I don't particularly care for either Zig or Github, but... they do precisely cite the technical issues. That snippet links to a Github discussion comment https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3... (reproduced below) "The bug in this "safe sleep" script is obvious from looking at it: if the process is not scheduled for the one-second interval in which the loop would return (du…

Then blast the product, not the people who built it.

There's no stupid product, only stupid people.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by nostrebored »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #127
logicchains wrote: post #115

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Anyone being forced to use Azure has, at least temporarily until they can find a new job, lost at life, not necessarily through any fault of their own. The poor souls probably also have to use Teams.

The engineers at github are getting paid $300k/year at SWE3 to do their job. I don’t think they lost at life. Why bring people down so hard? That is really solid money and you can provide for a family, retire in your 40s, and it is work that does not destroy your body.

Spending your life working on making things worse (and knowing it) is pretty demoralizing. I know many people who have made the decision to take a pay cut or just quit when they realize that’s their job.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by random3 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #138
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

You're right, I've been hearing lots of good things about Zig and I wanted to check it out but I'm glad I saw this post. I want no part of this thing. I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good. Fact is, you don't need to call anyone names or insult them. The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic. I simply don't trust…

Based on this rationale nobody should use Linux either =))
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