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Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by Fnoord »

amiga386 wrote: post #356
Fnoord wrote: post #307

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> In what way would it discourage you and your friend(s) from booking a standard twin room, if they don't tell you there's no bathroom door? (They regard it as cheapskating/cheating.) Very simple: by making it the status quo that bathroom doors aren't there they discourage you to rent a single room. So instead, you rent two single rooms with full privacy for each of you. Because a double room is only for couples, in…

This continues to not make any sense. In most hotel pricings I've seen, twin rooms and double rooms cost the same. In fact, in the cheaper hotels, double rooms are just twin rooms with the beds bolted together (very annoying if you're a couple seeking romance). The hotel can reconfigure the rooms to match demand, as the only difference is whether the beds are joined. As a random example (I don't endorse it, I just pi…

They want two adults (for example dad and daughter, or grandma and dad) to rent separate single bedrooms, yes with their own private space, own TV, etc. The price of two of such single rooms is higher than one double. The room for two people (bed together) is meant for couples, not F&F. Why, I think because they sell better. Maybe also to discourage teens, who'd rather go to a hostel with bunk bed, besides those are way more affordable. You'd think they wouldn't be able to afford a proper hotel, but what I've seen is spoiled brats and what not.

In your first message you wrote at #2: "[...] Friends book some other hotel's twin rooms." I wrote: what if all hotels follow this same manual? You could only end up in a hostel, or perhaps a cheap hotel.

Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all seeing my mother naked (my father is passé), or my daughter or son naked (but they're still children). It only ever did till my mid teenager years. After that, I overcame it. So while it doesn't bother me, it may bother my children, and important to note: I'll respect that. It already started with my daughter (nearly eight y.o.) when going to the swimming pool. Kind of normal. But these hotels wouldn't accommodate for that.

FWIW, just my theories. I'm not saying I know all about this market.

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by dragonwriter »

amiga386 wrote: post #356
Fnoord wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In what way would it discourage you and your friend(s) from booking a standard twin room, if they don't tell you there's no bathroom door? (They regard it as cheapskating/cheating.) Very simple: by making it the status quo that bathroom doors aren't there they discourage you to rent a single room. So instead, you rent two single rooms with full privacy for each of you. Because a double room is only for couples, in…

This continues to not make any sense. In most hotel pricings I've seen, twin rooms and double rooms cost the same. In fact, in the cheaper hotels, double rooms are just twin rooms with the beds bolted together (very annoying if you're a couple seeking romance). The hotel can reconfigure the rooms to match demand, as the only difference is whether the beds are joined. As a random example (I don't endorse it, I just pi…

> Why would any group of people book a single room?

To save money.

> Is there some secret trick where multiple people turn up and bring their own beds with them, only to be foiled by a missing toilet door?

Beds? Probably not. But, people (especially younger people, can sleep on the floor with climate appropriate (which, depending on the season and available heating, can be "none") coverings for warmth; I did this happily a fair amount in various groups aroun high school age, but I certainly wouldn't want to now in middle age.

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by rand846633 »

lokar wrote: post #351
majormajor wrote: post #187

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I don't think that adds up. "Staying in a hotel with a romantic partner and/or family" is at least as primary a use case for hotels as "staying in a hotel with a platonic friend" and is still a scenario where you want a door but is NOT a scenario where "just get separate rooms" is a logical conclusion. "Get the hell out of that hotel and complain about it to everyone you know," on the other hand, is. The much more sp…

I think it’s at least partly right (few things are simple enough to have one cause). A lot of businesses ask co-workers to share a room on trips. Business travel is a large share of reservations.

It’s wild to me that anyone would agree to go on a work trip where they are expected to share the room where they are sleeping. What an insane thing from a company to want.

So they want to save a few bucks for which I am expected to trade not just my privacy but also my good night rest (who knows if one of us snores) against a few dollars of profit margin for my employer?

If they cannot afford sending me on a business trip they probably shouldn’t do so.

What kind of company are doing so?

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by Barbing »

amiga386 wrote: post #356
Fnoord wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In what way would it discourage you and your friend(s) from booking a standard twin room, if they don't tell you there's no bathroom door? (They regard it as cheapskating/cheating.) Very simple: by making it the status quo that bathroom doors aren't there they discourage you to rent a single room. So instead, you rent two single rooms with full privacy for each of you. Because a double room is only for couples, in…

This continues to not make any sense. In most hotel pricings I've seen, twin rooms and double rooms cost the same. In fact, in the cheaper hotels, double rooms are just twin rooms with the beds bolted together (very annoying if you're a couple seeking romance). The hotel can reconfigure the rooms to match demand, as the only difference is whether the beds are joined. As a random example (I don't endorse it, I just pi…

Think based on bathroom rather than bed count here.

Before: sell two business travelers one room with two separate beds and one dignified bathroom.

Now: sell two business travelers two separate rooms just so they can each use the bathroom with dignity.

Profit Now ($x2) > Profit Before ($x1)

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

stickfigure wrote: post #61
m-hodges wrote: post #6

WSJ did a good explainer on hotel room design anti-patterns: https://youtu.be/116cwKs2XQs

I watched this and it doesn't seem like anti-patterns to me? I spend more time in hotels than most and ironing boards, closets, minibars, and "bigger rooms" are not things I care about. I don't hang out in the room; it's a box I enter to shower and sleep.

When I use to travel for work, I exclusively stayed in Embassy Suites because it didn’t feel like a shoebox and it gave me space to decompress after a full day of active like I like people.

Even now that I work remotely, my wife and I might spend a week back home in Atlanta where our adult children and friends live. We “live” in the hotel like we live at home. I’m usually working during the day, she might hang out with other friends who don’t work during the day and we plan things at night.

It’s really nice to have the space of a Hyatt House/Homewood Suites.

Even when we go on vacation we don’t have a jam packed scheduled where we have to be doing something every minute.

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

ecshafer wrote: post #355
trhway wrote: post #327

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The world makes full circle. A 4-toilet (2 facing the other 2 for lively conversation) bathroom per floor, no walls whatsoever between the toilets, "open layout" so to speak, in our dormitory in high school (regional school for advanced science studies) in USSR in 80-ies come to mind. Looks like we were living the boutiquey avant-garde way of the future :)

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"Some artists are communists".

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by themerone »

ghaff wrote: post #266
toast0 wrote: post #257

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> Marriot,Hilton,IGT,Hyatt own almost all hotels in any area you want to go to. Best Western, Choice, Wyndham, IHG (typo?), Accor, Blackstone (Motel6), Radisson, Red Lion, Red Roof. Etc. There's lots of choices. Many (most?) hotels are franchises and the name on the hotel can change. I haven't run into a hotel with no bathroom door yet, but I only have 2-3 stays a year and one is usually in the same hotel every year.…

I was a bit surprised that a Marriott property I was staying in in NYC a couple weeks ago actually had daily housekeeping service. I didn't really care but hadn't seen that in a while.

I'm very surprised that you find this surprising. Do you mostly stay at Airbnb? I expect this at any traditional hotel in the US.

Re: Bring bathroom doors back to hotels

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Post by Barbing »

darreninthenet wrote: post #106
akersten wrote: post #3

It's not about saving a few bucks on a door. It's about discouraging you and your friends from sharing a single room. Hotel sees the money they're leaving on the table and will trade you for it for the low price of watching your buddies do their business.

But how would you know until it's too late and you've already checked in? Doesn't seem to be a very effective way of achieving this... Just means my mate and I wouldn't go back to that hotel again.

For big chains, quirks like that become known.

...like, the building adjacent your La Quinta is a diner, period. "La Quinta, Spanish for 'next to Denny's'"

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