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China has already said they'd allow one country two systems.
How’s that going in Hong Kong?
It is going fine in Hong Kong. Still operating as its own system.
Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub
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Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub
#472Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub
#473Why are all the comments here so weird? It's like people saw (but didn't read) an article entitled "Man Opens a Taqueria in his Hometown" and the only responses are 1) Why didn't he open it in my hometown? This location isn't convenient for me. 2) Wouldn't it be better for someone else to open a taqueria instead? My cousin is looking for work. Shouldn't we be putting resources into helping him open a restaurant inste…
AI generated comments, that's why.
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#474Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Because it was synthesized using Chinese and Indian sourced "Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients" (APIs) [0], both of whom synthesize around 80% of all APIs required by European pharma manufacturers. And the EU pharma companies package it, slap their logos on it and make mega profits selling domestically. >EU member states simply does not do the same for electronics. Why do you think that is? Surely with a war next do…
> And the EU pharma companies package it, slap their logos on it and make mega profits selling domestically Yep. > Why do you think that is? Because European nations lacks the linkages needed to build a competitive electronics industry. Much of the industry is heavily linked across the Pacific, with the US, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore transferring technology, capital, and personnel across borders to set…
>Because European nations lacks the linkages needed to build a competitive electronics industry.
That wasn't the case 20+ years ago. Nokia phones were designed and assembled in Finland. Siemens designed and made CPUs and RAM.
How come they gave up and didn't push to remain world leaders?
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China is already catching up. They have a desktop-sized 14nm EUV machine, and Xiami is setting up a 3nm manufacturing line, both entirely with local tech. Thanks USA for the export ban.
> They have a desktop-sized 14nm EUV Who falls for this crap? An ASML EUV machine costs over $100 million and is delivered in dozens of shipping containers, taking up 2 floors in a fab. You're going to need really extraordinary evidence that the PRC has a "desktop sized EUV machine" if you want us to believe you.
They announced this during an industry conference last week. It’s entirely different tech to ASML’s.
This is the company/machine: http://lumi-universe.com/?list_27/84.html
You can check the dimensions there, max 80cm. This is only the EUV light source, not an entire wafer fab.
Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub
#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
How’s that going in Hong Kong?
It is going fine in Hong Kong. Still operating as its own system.
The reports I’ve heard and read would be contrary to your claims. When I was in Hong Kong, for example, I saw huge protests, so I wouldn’t call it fine. Inside and out of Hong Kong, I’ve never met an HKer that was pleased about the China government’s plans. I also have heard that “its own system” is not a correct characterisation of the situation.
Have you been to Hong Kong?
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Because commenters outside Japan may end up buying products containing chips made in Japan. If it was built in let's say France people would be thinking less about potential invasions. Just as "obviously Japan is going to want to develop lucrative manufacturing within Japan," obviously people outside of Japan are going to want manufacturing that is not liable to be shut down or taken over in some way. Not that I thin…
The PRC and Japan is not a remotely comparable situation to the PRC and Taiwan. The most the PRC could do is potentially sabotage production in Hokkaido, but if they can sabotage production in Hokkaido, they can sabotage it in Arizona.
I don't think China wants to go to war with Japan. I just mean to explain why people are focusing on geopolitical tensions. And the answer is that those tensions do exist, and is partly why some countries are trying to become more self-sufficient to begin with. So discussion of it is valid, that is my main point. Now once we get into those discussions, they might not be as high quality or informed as in let's say a pure technology article, but that is to be expected.
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> They have a desktop-sized 14nm EUV Who falls for this crap? An ASML EUV machine costs over $100 million and is delivered in dozens of shipping containers, taking up 2 floors in a fab. You're going to need really extraordinary evidence that the PRC has a "desktop sized EUV machine" if you want us to believe you.
They announced this during an industry conference last week. It’s entirely different tech to ASML’s. This is the company/machine: http://lumi-universe.com/?list_27/84.html You can check the dimensions there, max 80cm. This is only the EUV light source, not an entire wafer fab.
It is not the same kind of equipment. ASML machines use a 500 watt EUV source in order to be able to expose a few wafers per minute. The tabletop device has the output power listed as "1 uw-10 mw". This is a source intended of spectroscopy instrumentation, not for exposing wafers.
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The Japanese population trend is unsustainable with long term growth. Maybe they will find people to relocate to satisfy the labor needs? They're notoriously anti-immigration. So unless they have a growing labor pool that can sustain this it's going to be hard. In general, I think the US is looking for alternatives outside of Taiwan to build and operate fabs. Yes, there is a push to get them in the US as well. I'm un…
>The Japanese population trend is unsustainable with long term growth. There are plenty of people in Tokyo/Osaka who can come to Hokkaido. If the jobs pay well, they will. Japan owes it to an entire generation who were left out in the "employment ice age." Japanese are very smart, can be trained, and should get first shot at the jobs. >Maybe they will find people to relocate to satisfy the labor needs? They're notori…
> Good gaijin are welcomed, bad ones need to leave.
This is always the rhetoric in anti-immigration movements. You may find that the definitions of “good” and “bad” vary wildly.
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> They have a desktop-sized 14nm EUV Who falls for this crap? An ASML EUV machine costs over $100 million and is delivered in dozens of shipping containers, taking up 2 floors in a fab. You're going to need really extraordinary evidence that the PRC has a "desktop sized EUV machine" if you want us to believe you.
They announced this during an industry conference last week. It’s entirely different tech to ASML’s. This is the company/machine: http://lumi-universe.com/?list_27/84.html You can check the dimensions there, max 80cm. This is only the EUV light source, not an entire wafer fab.
> This is only the EUV light source, not an entire wafer fab.
When we say "EUV machine" in the semiconductor context, it's pretty unambiguous that we're talking about a lithography machine using EUV and that can do, at least, ~120 300 mm wafers per hour.
As another comment explained, that machine you linked to is nothing like what we mean by "EUV machine", it's not even attempting to be a lithography tool.
At first I thought you were being willingly misleading but your wording suggests you're not, so I suggest binging Asianometry on YouTube if you'd like to get up to speed on the semi industry.