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Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by tehjoker »

cj wrote: post #70
tehjoker wrote: post #61

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Not true, most people are not upper-middle class anti-tax wackos. They benefit from those people being taxed.

In my own social/family circle, there’s no correlation between net worth and how someone leans politically. I’ve never understood why given the pretty obvious pros/cons (amount paid in taxes vs. benefits received)

That's interesting b/c I see it very obviously in mine with the partial exception of myself. The more professional and private sector their job or spouse, the more conservative they are. E.g a real estate lawyer is conservative, a lawyer for the state is liberal, a software engineer is a communist, and the musicians are libertarians or socialist-lite.

Professional or artisanal work are petit bourgeois positions, so are flexible in their outlook regardless of income.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by cj »

tehjoker wrote: post #311
cj wrote: post #70

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In my own social/family circle, there’s no correlation between net worth and how someone leans politically. I’ve never understood why given the pretty obvious pros/cons (amount paid in taxes vs. benefits received)

That's interesting b/c I see it very obviously in mine with the partial exception of myself. The more professional and private sector their job or spouse, the more conservative they are. E.g a real estate lawyer is conservative, a lawyer for the state is liberal, a software engineer is a communist, and the musicians are libertarians or socialist-lite. Professional or artisanal work are petit bourgeois positions, so a…

I have rural farmers and truck drivers in my extended family. That stereotype is low income + conservative.

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Post by evilduck »

sandspar wrote: post #195
ManlyBread wrote: post #187

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Like clockwork. Each time someone criticizes any aspect of any LLM there's always someone to tell that person they're using the LLM wrong. Perhaps it's time to stop blaming the user?

If someone says that they can't get a camera to work, you tell them how to fix it, right? I can't think of what other response is appropriate.

Validation that cameras will never work and photographs aren't real.

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Post by michaelmrose »

throwawaylaptop wrote: post #305
michaelmrose wrote: post #131

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There is so much wrong with this. You cannot judge the class of teachers based on a small sample of your taste in women. You didn't actually communicate anything materially wrong with her. You listed a high income area to make us think teachers are overpaid but we have no insight by default into median income in the area or her qualifications. Lastly its entirely impossible to attract better candidates without more m…

I personally am not of the belief that anyone making under $90k a year is dumb. I believe if you were selective, you could take smart motivated people from other industries that don't pay much but still have smart employees, and have them do a great job teaching.

You are dealing with people with masters degrees in their field who you are trusting with the next generation.

There is no reason to expect to find more qualified people for less money when you are starting at 45% of median household income for the area.

Highly qualified individuals in other career tracks are often paid more while also lacking the relevant skills and education.

Industries that are lower paid are going to be even less qualified.

You attract superior talent by either paying more full stop.

Why don't you ask actual teachers.

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Post by weatherlite »

phantasmish wrote: post #234
weatherlite wrote: post #177

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> So when should we start to be worried, as developers ? I've been worrying ever since chatgpt 3 came out, it was shit at everything but it was amazing as well. And in the last 3 years the progress was incredible. I don't know if you "should" worry, worrying for the sake of it isn't helping much, but yes we should all be mentally prepared to the possibility we won't be able to make a living doing this X years from no…

God, I’d love to once again be working at a company where coding speed mattered. Meanwhile in non-tech Bigcos the slow part of everything isn’t writing the code, it’s sorting out access and keys and who you’re even supposed to be talking to, and figuring out WTF people even want to build (and no, they can’t just prompt an LLM to do it because they can’t articulate it well, and don’t have any concept of what various t…

I agree that coding isn't all we do by if agentic A.I progresses far enough it can drastically reduce the amount of people you're supposed to talk to, figure out what they want to build etc. There'll be way fewer of those around - including some of us unfortunately.

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Post by apwell23 »

stavros wrote: post #253
apwell23 wrote: post #249

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> https://pine.town how many prompts did it take you to make this? how did you make sure that each new prompt didn't break some previous functionality? did you have a precise vision for it when you started or did you just go with whatever was being given to you?

> how many prompts did it take you to make this? Probably hundreds, I'd say. > how did you make sure that each new prompt didn't break some previous functionality? For the backend, I reviewed the code and steered it to better solutions a few times (fewer than I thought I'd need to!). For the frontend, I only tested and steered, because I don't know much about React at all. This was impossible with previous models, I…

did you not run into this problem described by ilya below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwn...

this has been my experience purely vibecoding. i am surprised it works well for others.

btw the current production bug. how did you discover that and why it slip out. looks like site wasn't working at all when you posted that comment?

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Post by apwell23 »

mirekrusin wrote: post #171
Madmallard wrote: post #157

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It's not really any different in my experience

Stochastic parrot? Autocomplete on steroids? Fancy autocorrect? Bullshit generator? AI snake oil? Statistical mimicry? You don't hear that anymore. Feels like whole generation of skeptics evaporated.

> Feels like whole generation of skeptics evaporated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwn...

Ilya Sutskever this week.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by apwell23 »

mirekrusin wrote: post #227
csomar wrote: post #190

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The earth is flat until you have evidence of the contrary. It's you who should provide that evidence. We had physics, navigation and then space shuttles that clearly showed the earth is not flat. We are yet to have a fully vibe-coded piece of software that actually works. The blog post is actually great because LLMs are very good are regurgitating pieces of code that already exist on a single prompt. Now ask them to…

Original post alone mentions multiple projects and links https://pine.town as no code directly written by the author. From perspective of personally using it daily, seeing what my team is using it for it's quite shocking to still see those kind of comments, it's like we're living on different planets - again, gives flat earther like vibe.

god you are so annoying. the site that you posted doesn't even work. so wtf are you even gloating about.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by stavros »

apwell23 wrote: post #316
stavros wrote: post #253

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> how many prompts did it take you to make this? Probably hundreds, I'd say. > how did you make sure that each new prompt didn't break some previous functionality? For the backend, I reviewed the code and steered it to better solutions a few times (fewer than I thought I'd need to!). For the frontend, I only tested and steered, because I don't know much about React at all. This was impossible with previous models, I…

did you not run into this problem described by ilya below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR20FWCCjAs&list=PLd7-bHaQwn... this has been my experience purely vibecoding. i am surprised it works well for others. btw the current production bug. how did you discover that and why it slip out. looks like site wasn't working at all when you posted that comment?

> did you not run into this problem described by ilya below

I used to run into a related issue, where fixing a bug would add more bugs, to the point where it would not be able to progress past a given codebase complexity. However, Codex is much better at not doing that. There are some cases where the model kept going back and forth between two bugs, but I discovered that that was because I had misunderstood the constraints and was telling the model to do something impossible.

> how did you discover that and why it slip out.

Sentry alerted me but I thought it was an edge case, and I didn't pay attention until hours later.

I use a spiral allocation algorithm to allocate plots, so new users are clustered around the center. Sometimes plots are emptied (when the user isn't active), so you can have gaps in the spiral, which the algorithm tries to fill, and it's meant to go to the next plot if the current one can't be assigned.

For one specific plot, however, conditions were such that the database was giving an integrity error. The exception handling code that was supposed to handle that didn't take into account that it needed to roll back before resuming, so the entire request failed, instead of resuming gracefully. Just adding an atomic() context manager fixed it.

> looks like site wasn't working at all when you posted that comment?

It was working for a few hundreds (thousands?) of visitors, then the allocation code hit the plot that caused the bug, and signup couldn't proceed after that.

Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by mirekrusin »

apwell23 wrote: post #318
mirekrusin wrote: post #227

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Original post alone mentions multiple projects and links https://pine.town as no code directly written by the author. From perspective of personally using it daily, seeing what my team is using it for it's quite shocking to still see those kind of comments, it's like we're living on different planets - again, gives flat earther like vibe.

god you are so annoying. the site that you posted doesn't even work. so wtf are you even gloating about.

We're living in such interesting times - you can talk to a computer and it works, in many cases at extraordinary level - yet you still see intellectually constipated opinions arguing against basic facts established years ago - incredible.
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