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Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

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Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

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post #87

Giving Windows 11 the highest rating and XP one of the worst ratings clearly demonstrates that this author is not a serious person.

Is everyone who disagrees with you an unserious person, or just on this particular topic?

The disagreement isn't what makes him not serious; the hubris to declare Windows 11 the most usable OS does.

No one who has any real experience with *nix, legacy ios, legacy Windows, and modern Windows/ios UI/UX would rate win11 top without serious qualifiers

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#112
post #79

I hate the flat, borderless, barely visible scroll bar mess that is Windows 11. Just try to determine where one window starts and another ends with multiple overlapping windows open, especially in dark mode. Windows UI peaked at Windows 7 and has been steadily in a race to the bottom ever since. Windows 11 is going to be the final straw that prompts me to relegate it to a game playing or only-use-because-I-must secon…

I use Fedora Workstation. It's boring and less customizable than other distros out of the box, but I like it like that. I pretty much just add the extension 'dash to panel' and call it a day.

Microsoft has their own plans for where they want to go with Windows and it certainly is not catering to their users. The same could be said from most big companies I guess -- all about lock-in, value extraction, planned obsolescence. I see Valve/Steam as one of the few exceptions, probably because they are not publicly traded.

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#113
post #96
post #87

Giving Windows 11 the highest rating and XP one of the worst ratings clearly demonstrates that this author is not a serious person.

Just because you disagree , doesn’t mean that your opinion holds any weight over theirs. Especially because you’ve provided no rebuttal of substance, and resorted to name calling.

GP has a point tho. The article ranks vista over XP, and that's just ludicrous. Even Microsoft has admitted that vista was hot garbage.

It's even become a slang expression: a app can have a "Vista moment", meaning they released a version that was completely unusable and a stark regression from previous versions.

Meanwhile XP is widely regarded to have been the best windows version ever. The only version that even compares in terms of popularity is 7.

I get the feeling the author of the post hasn't actually used any of the older versions of windows, and was ranking solely based on some screenshots they found online. There's no other reasonable explanation for rating vista higher than XP.

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#115

Was anyone surprised? This follows the classic pattern. - XP was good - vista was bad - 7 was good - 8 was bad - 10 was good - 11 is .....drumroll please.... bad.

  - XP was good
  - vista was bad
  - 7 was good
  - 8 was a disaster
  - 10 was worse
  - 11 is even worse
It's a downward spiral.

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#116
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you disagree , doesn’t mean that your opinion holds any weight over theirs. Especially because you’ve provided no rebuttal of substance, and resorted to name calling.

GP has a point tho. The article ranks vista over XP, and that's just ludicrous. Even Microsoft has admitted that vista was hot garbage. It's even become a slang expression: a app can have a "Vista moment", meaning they released a version that was completely unusable and a stark regression from previous versions. Meanwhile XP is widely regarded to have been the best windows version ever. The only version that even com…

This article wasn’t ranking the quality of the OS overall, just the UI

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you hit print screen, it takes a screenshot, waits a blatantly visible number of frames while you type more letters or stuff keeps moving on screen, and then eventually rewinds time by overlaying the now outdated screenshot for you to select a target area Pressing escape can sometimes cancel out of this overlay (in case you bumped print screen by accident). But sometimes it doesn’t, because the full screen overl…

On my very rasonably spec'd laptop it often takes 20 seconds for the snipping tool selection to pop up. Video recording is very nice though, definitely my favorite feature. New Notepad had a broken typematic that took them 2 years to fix, but they added Copilot at the same patch. Resizing its window still rapidly still flickers and can max the CPU. If you're using labels in the taskbar the buttons aren't fixed width,…

Wow, I hadn't realised it could do video as well. I installed a separate app for that purpose the other day.

Just tested on my very anaemic 5 year old laptop, it loaded in about 2/3 seconds.

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#118
post #92

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> One underappreciated thing about Windows 8 is that even if the start menu was ugly and blocked the entire screen, you could press the windows key, immediately start typing, and then press enter to somewhat deterministically pick the top app. This made it feel quite fast. Decent operating systems support this, and have for decades. macOS has the spotlight search (cmd-space), and most Linux DEs have some form of it t…

Most Linux DE's it's even the same use of the Super/Win hotkey by itself. I do wish Linux distros would add an emoji picker with the Suler+. hotkey (matching Windows')... When it's there, I always forget the hotkey, same on mac for that matter.

KDE has Super+.

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#119
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One underappreciated thing about Windows 8 is that even if the start menu was ugly and blocked the entire screen, you could press the windows key, immediately start typing, and then press enter to somewhat deterministically pick the top app. This made it feel quite fast. Decent operating systems support this, and have for decades. macOS has the spotlight search (cmd-space), and most Linux DEs have some form of it t…

Most Linux DE's it's even the same use of the Super/Win hotkey by itself. I do wish Linux distros would add an emoji picker with the Suler+. hotkey (matching Windows')... When it's there, I always forget the hotkey, same on mac for that matter.

Bind it yourself?

Also I'm pretty sure default Gnome and KDE include emojis in their "start" menu search, which is its own kind of annoying.

Re: Windows GUI – Good, Bad and Pretty Ugly (2023)

#120
post #92

One underappreciated thing about Windows 8 is that even if the start menu was ugly and blocked the entire screen, you could press the windows key, immediately start typing, and then press enter to somewhat deterministically pick the top app. This made it feel quite fast. Now on more recent windows editions, I find that I often need to wait for the menu to visually appear before it will accept any keyboard input, and…

> One underappreciated thing about Windows 8 is that even if the start menu was ugly and blocked the entire screen, you could press the windows key, immediately start typing, and then press enter to somewhat deterministically pick the top app. This made it feel quite fast. Decent operating systems support this, and have for decades. macOS has the spotlight search (cmd-space), and most Linux DEs have some form of it t…

OSX's command-space spotlight search has been degrading functionally (at least on my machines) for literally years now. It peaked around ~2012, when it would reliably search the full text of all documents on my local hard drive quickly, and not do anything dumb like "search the internet by sending whatever I typed up into the search field to the cloud."

Nowadays it fails to reliably search the full text of documents on my local hard drive, tries to search the internet despite my best efforts to prevent this, and often even fails to find a file ~/Documents/foo.txt when I explicitly search for the string foo.txt. This is uniformly true on several work Macbooks and a couple personal macbooks too.

A truly astounding regression in functionality!

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