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Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by shadowgovt »

tantalor wrote: post #10
ctippett wrote: post #9

This is very well done. I wouldn't and don't consider this to be AI slop. The author's own reflection captures perfectly my own feelings on the matter... intent does matter. I think what gets lost in a lot of the AI media discussion is that intent matters. I find auto-generated slop-farm TikToks just as dystopic as the most fervent doomer, but I also remember when I was a 10-year-old kid making movies with my parents…

According to Kagi, all AI generated content is slop. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html#what-is-co...

Kagi is entitled to their opinion. Perhaps worth noting is by that metric the original Broccoli Man video is also slop; it was generated using stock characters, voice synthesis, and auto puppeteering. The only creative input the original "artist" had was writing the text script and signing off on the final output.

Personal opinion, using modern AI slop generation to recreate AI slop from a previous generation of the technology is pretty good art.

Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by tantalor »

windexh8er wrote: post #5
glimshe wrote: post #4

Very cool! I'd be perfectly happy to watch videos that combine human creativity and choice with AI. I don't consider this kind of video "slop". Once the glitches are eliminated, this workflow will be unstoppable.

> Once the glitches are eliminated, this workflow will be unstoppable. "... unstoppable." - What? I'm genuinely curious. Do you think this type of video is enjoyable? Maybe one, or even two like this is palatable - but I don't see anything 1) interesting or new 2) that would make me want to watch this by choice. And when everyone is swimming in a sea of this type of work I don't think most people will enjoy it, eithe…

> I don't see anything interesting or new

What I find so interesting about this is how much is NOT new. It is a highly faithful reproduction of the beloved original.

The difference is the voices and visuals are much higher quality, and there are some added effects and cutaways that are nice touches.

I would still share the original video because it is a useful cultural artifact and teaching tool (as ridiculous as it is), and I would be happy to share this version at the same time, just because it is higher quality.

Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by cameronh90 »

windexh8er wrote: post #5
glimshe wrote: post #4

Very cool! I'd be perfectly happy to watch videos that combine human creativity and choice with AI. I don't consider this kind of video "slop". Once the glitches are eliminated, this workflow will be unstoppable.

> Once the glitches are eliminated, this workflow will be unstoppable. "... unstoppable." - What? I'm genuinely curious. Do you think this type of video is enjoyable? Maybe one, or even two like this is palatable - but I don't see anything 1) interesting or new 2) that would make me want to watch this by choice. And when everyone is swimming in a sea of this type of work I don't think most people will enjoy it, eithe…

I personally quite enjoy the Gossip Goblin cyberpunk cycle of humanity videos (can find them on reddit/tiktok/yt/elsewhere).

Most of the creativity is clearly from the human driving the AI, but I suspect it would have been borderline impossible to make something like that as an individual without AI.

Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by orbital-decay »

tantalor wrote: post #10
ctippett wrote: post #9

This is very well done. I wouldn't and don't consider this to be AI slop. The author's own reflection captures perfectly my own feelings on the matter... intent does matter. I think what gets lost in a lot of the AI media discussion is that intent matters. I find auto-generated slop-farm TikToks just as dystopic as the most fervent doomer, but I also remember when I was a 10-year-old kid making movies with my parents…

According to Kagi, all AI generated content is slop. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html#what-is-co...

Most meme-worthy content is actual low effort slop. That's the reality of the most recent two decades.

Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by wvbdmp »

cameronh90 wrote: post #15
windexh8er wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once the glitches are eliminated, this workflow will be unstoppable. "... unstoppable." - What? I'm genuinely curious. Do you think this type of video is enjoyable? Maybe one, or even two like this is palatable - but I don't see anything 1) interesting or new 2) that would make me want to watch this by choice. And when everyone is swimming in a sea of this type of work I don't think most people will enjoy it, eithe…

I personally quite enjoy the Gossip Goblin cyberpunk cycle of humanity videos (can find them on reddit/tiktok/yt/elsewhere). Most of the creativity is clearly from the human driving the AI, but I suspect it would have been borderline impossible to make something like that as an individual without AI.

Individuals have been doing this exact thing without AI for years, only better, with actual comedic timing, by just playing both parts. Sometimes they don’t even change clothes and it’s perfectly understandable. It’s a whole meme at this point that a towel on the head of a man signifies a female character, for example. You can find plenty of this on tiktok or instagram.

Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by jesucresta »

swiftcoder wrote: post #18
jesucresta wrote: post #13

This is 100% AI slop, cool story and all but I'd 100 times rather see a very poorly drawn 2007 animation than any of this.

Tbf, the original is also slop (albeit of the pre-AI variety)

no is not, the original is full of personality and ideas even if its poorly drawn and kitsch.

Re: Broccoli Man, Remastered

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Post by cameronh90 »

wvbdmp wrote: post #17
cameronh90 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally quite enjoy the Gossip Goblin cyberpunk cycle of humanity videos (can find them on reddit/tiktok/yt/elsewhere). Most of the creativity is clearly from the human driving the AI, but I suspect it would have been borderline impossible to make something like that as an individual without AI.

Individuals have been doing this exact thing without AI for years, only better, with actual comedic timing, by just playing both parts. Sometimes they don’t even change clothes and it’s perfectly understandable. It’s a whole meme at this point that a towel on the head of a man signifies a female character, for example. You can find plenty of this on tiktok or instagram.

At least for my enjoyment of the Gossip Goblin videos, the world and aesthetics are pretty critical to it. I wouldn't find it at all compelling if it was just someone in their kitchen playing it themselves. I do like those videos with people playing both parts in other contexts (comedy particularly), but for other types of work, the AI generated videos are doing something that can't really be done yourself unless you become a Blender virtuoso.
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