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What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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Re: What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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Post by scotty79 »

anshulbhide wrote: post #278
joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

Agreed - Really surprising this article didn't cover the flip side - how many lives have been saved due to having an instant source of truth in your pocket.

It's way harder to track and doesn't sell ads all that well. Clicks are driven by fear and anger.

Re: What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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Post by thibran »

joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

I get your point and think in a similar way. The difference between AI and the coconuts is -> there is no way deaths by coconuts increase by 10000000x, but for AI it's possible.

The reasons we have not - and probably will not - remove obvious bad causes is, that a small group of people has huge monetary incentives to keep the status quo.

It would be so easy to e.g. reduce the amount of sugar (without banning it), or to have a preventive instead of a reactive healthcare system.

Re: What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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Post by ragequittah »

ArcHound wrote: post #198
Quarrelsome wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

does it bug you the same when people turn away from interacting with people to surrounding themselves with animals or pets as well?

Honestly, it bugs me less. I think that interaction with people is important. But with animals and plants you are at least dealing with beings that have needs you have to care about to keep them healthy. With bots, there are no needs, just words.

Would it be better if someone were to gamify the needs like video game romance? Seems easy enough to do.

Curious does the ultra popular romance book genre many women use to feel things they aren't getting from men around them bother you?

Re: What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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Post by goatlover »

ssl-3 wrote: post #262
joshtbradley wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not fully preventable, of course not. But reducible, certainly. Better cars aided by AI. Better diagnoses and healthcare aided by AI. Less addiction to cigarettes and alcohol through AI facilitated therapy. Less obesity due to better diet plans created by AI. I could go on. And that’s just one frame, there are plenty of non-AI solutions we could, and should, be focused on. Really my broader point is we accept the tra…

I, for one, would be on-board with erasing coconut trees from the planet. Why, one might ask? Well, simple: Nobody really needs them, do they? And I, for one, don't enjoy the flavor of a coconut: I find that the taste lingers in my mouth in ways that others do not, such that it becomes a distraction to me inside of my little pea brain. I find them to be ridiculously easy to detect in any dish, snack, or meal. My tast…

Also it's a living organism in it's own right and other non-humans make use of it, like coconut crabs. Nature doesn't exist just for us. Humans kill a lot more coconut trees (or sharks) than they kill us.

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Post by ozmodiar »

no2_fresh wrote: post #313
joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

So we should only focus on smoking til it's down to under 4 million?

You'd think on a form for programmers we'd all understand that moving everything to a single thread isn't optimal.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

It's not a dichotomy though.

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Post by goatlover »

HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #248
whatsupdog wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The parent post is getting flack, but it’s hard to see why it is controversial. I have heard “women want a man who will provide and protect” from every single woman I have ever dated or been married to, from every female friend with whom I could have such deep conversations, and from the literature I read in my anthropology-adjacent academic field. At some point one feels one has enough data to reasonably assume it’s…

Because the post is making an unfounded claim about human female evolution along with another unfounded claim about modernity being different from the rest of history, which involves a ton of cultures and societies.

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Post by calgoo »

dchftcs wrote: post #301
joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

It will probably increase the number of people deemed useless by the economy and the death rate of those people will be high. 1% of the world is over 800m people. You don't know if the net impact will be an improvement.

1% would be 80m not 800m. Still a lot of people but not 1/8 of the world population.

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Post by thfuran »

joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

If the coconut industry had trillions of dollars behind advocating placing coconuts above everyone’s beds and chairs, I think more people would be complaining about that.

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Post by ozmodiar »

anshulbhide wrote: post #278
joshtbradley wrote: post #240

It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

Agreed - Really surprising this article didn't cover the flip side - how many lives have been saved due to having an instant source of truth in your pocket.

"Source of truth." Right, that reminds me of the other issue exacerbated by AI: widespread media illiteracy. (Apologies if that was the joke, can't tell anymore).
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