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What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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Despite the name, the subreddit community has both men and women and both ai boyfriends and ai girlfriends.

I looked through a bunch of posts on the front page (and almost died from cringe in the process) and basically every one of them was a woman with an AI "boyfriend".

Interesting. I guess it's changed a lot since I looked at it last time. I remember it being about 50/50.

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It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

>It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year.

Because it's early enough to make a difference. With the others, the cat is out of the bag. We can try to make AI safer before it becomes necessary. Once it's necessary, it won't be as easy to make it safer.

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It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

Forest for the trees. AI safety researchers want to do cool existential risk stuff, not boring statistics on how AI impacts people adversly.

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It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

Yes, Your Honor, I did convince this teenager to kill herself - but 150 people a year die from coconuts!

Reminds me of The Chewbacca Defense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV6NoNkDGsU

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> It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. Companies are bombarding us with AI in every piece of media they can, obviously with a bias on the positive. This focus is an expected counterresponse to said pressure, and it is actually good that we're not just focusing on what they want us to hear (i.e. just the pros and not…

Fair point. I actually wish Altman/Amodei/Hassabis would stop overhyping the technology and also focus on the broader humanitarian mission. Development coupled to DAUs… I’m not sure I agree that’s the problem. I would argue AI adoption is more due to utility than addictiveness. Unlike social media companies, they provide direct value to many consumers and professionals across many domains. Just today it helped me wri…

You can say "shit" on the internet, as in "I bet those two thousand lines of code are shit quality",or "I hope ChatGPT will still think for you when your brain has rotted away to shit".

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One of the more disturbing things I read this year was the my boyfriend is AI subreddit. I genuinely can't fathom what is going on there. Seems so wrong, yet no one there seems to care. I worry about the damage caused by these things on distressed people. What can be done?

After having spoken with one of the people there I'm a lot less concerned to be honest. They described it as something akin to an emotional vibrator, that they didn't attribute any sentience to, and that didn't trigger their PTSD that they normally experienced when dating men. If AI can provide emotional support and an outlet for survivors who would otherwise not be able to have that kind of emotional need fulfilled,…

I think there's a difference between "support" and "enabling".

It is well documented that family members of someone suffering from an addiction will often do their best at shielding the person from the consequences of their acts. While well-intentioned ("If I don't pay this debt they'll have an eviction on their record and will never find a place again"), these acts prevent the addict from seeking help because, without consequences, the addict has no reason to change their ways. Actually helping them requires, paradoxically, to let them hit rock bottom.

An "emotional vibrator" that (for instance) dampens that person's loneliness is likely to result in that person taking longer (if ever) to seek help for their PTSD. IMHO it may look like help when it's actually enabling them.

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It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

Not sure if I am missing the joke here, and admittedly, it is somewhat beside the point, but the coconut statistic is an urban legend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_coconut

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It surprises me how hyper focused people are on AI risk when we’ve grown numb to the millions of preventable deaths that happen every year. 8 million people to smoking. 4 million to obesity. 2.6 million to alcohol. 2.5 million to healthcare. 1.2 million to cars. Hell even coconuts kill 150 people per year. It is tragic that people have lost their mind or their life to AI, and it should be prevented. But those using t…

I do think we need to be hyper focused on this. We do not need more ways for people to be convinced of suicide. This is a huge misalignment of objectives and we do not know what other misalignment issues are already more silently happening or may appear in the future as AI capabilities evolve.

Also we can’t deny the emotional element. Even though it is subjective, knowing that the reason your daughter didn’t seek guidance from you and committed suicide was because a chatbot convinced her of so must be gut wrenching. So far I’ve seen two instances of attempted suicide driven by AI in my small social circle. And it has made me support banning general AI usage at times.

Nowadays I’m not sure if it should or even could be banned, but we DO have to invest significant resources to improve alignment, otherwise we risk that in the future AI does more harm than good.

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Swiping on thousands of people without getting a single date is not human interaction and that's the reality for some people. I still don't think an AI partner is a good solution, but you are seriously underestimating how bad the status quo is.

> Swiping on thousands of people without getting a single date is not human interaction and that's the reality for some people. For some people, yes, but 99% of those people are men. The whole "women with AI boyfriends" thing is an entirely different issue.

If you have 100 men to 100 women on an imaginary tinder platform and most of the men get rejected by all 100 women it's easy to see where the problem would arise for women too.
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