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Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by BlueGh0st »

te0006 wrote: post #130

Does anybody think Aluminium as a brand name is a good choice? Especially considering the intended expansion towards the premium market. To me it sounds cheap, second-rate, ersatz. What you use if you cannot afford a better metal. Chrome is shiny, aluminium surfaces soon get dim again after any polishing attempt.

You don't even need to go that far to think its a bad name. The anglosphere can't even agree on the pronunciation and spelling.

Malicious actors will certainly take advantage of this as well.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by gf000 »

devinprater wrote: post #65

Android accessibility is so not ready for PC. Navigate with keyboard and TalkBack and you'll hear "selected" everywhere which is redundant, since if TalkBack is speaking a UI element, it is selecting it for action. Apps aren't ready for keyboard either. They really, really aren't ready for a launch next year. But I'm sure they will. And few blind people will care because (almost) every blind person uses windows or an…

I don't really get your point. The accessibility story can surely be improved, but it's absolutely 100% better on Android, than what we have on GNU/Linux today, so at the end of the day it's just one more choice for end-users.

And keyboard and the like will also get a chance to get fixed if more people are interested in the platform.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by gf000 »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #71
vbezhenar wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

> It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase

It's pretty openly in bad faith to assign malice to open-source developers.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by fmajid »

MobiusHorizons wrote: post #115
danpalmer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The installer has 3 free trials in it (photos sync, xbox, office 365), and then re-runs that part of the installer periodically. The start menu shows sponsored articles in it IIRC, although this was something I turned off as soon as I could. It also pushes apps like Candy Crush. The lock screen has ads literally "dotted" around, again pushing cloud services etc. I keep being prompted to turn on Copilot, and essential…

I made my usb install media with Rufus and I it had some option to remove a bunch of frustrating behavior (this option was on by default). For instance it allowed me to create a local account. That seems to have completely removed advertising you mentioned. I had a lot of it in windows 10. Maybe the person you are replying to used Rufus (which is recommended if you want to make the install media from Linux or Mac) an…

Hasn't MS removed the option to create a local-only account in Win11 and is forcing everyone to sign up for a Microsoft account?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by gf000 »

raphinou wrote: post #128
vbezhenar wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

This is an honest question, not trying to get into an argument... > I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. Why not use the default provided then and take the defaults as opinionated? That's what I do actually. I might change very few options, but I generally use the defaults. It's not that you have to configure kde before it becomes usa…

Extensibility ~= extra complexity will necessarily increase the chance of bugs.

In something as complex as a display stack this is an important tradeoff.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by gf000 »

realusername wrote: post #121
vbezhenar wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

Depends what you mean by security, if by security you mean sanboxing of apps sure, if by security you mean that you trust what's in your OS and you can control it, it's worse than desktop Linux. Security isn't just about technical features but also about trust, while I trust my Linux desktop, I don't trust my Android phone with the Play Store running as high privilege, advertising id in the OS and unknown manufacture…

But that's more like talking about a particular distro, like I wouldn't trust North Korea's Linux distro either, compared to Debian.

Meanwhile something close to GrapheneOS running on desktop sounds fantastic.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by dmos62 »

te0006 wrote: post #130

Does anybody think Aluminium as a brand name is a good choice? Especially considering the intended expansion towards the premium market. To me it sounds cheap, second-rate, ersatz. What you use if you cannot afford a better metal. Chrome is shiny, aluminium surfaces soon get dim again after any polishing attempt.

I think that the general concensus is as long as a name doesn't start with a V, and is not taken, it's a good brand name. You can substitute W for V though, as in Waginium.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by prmoustache »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #71
vbezhenar wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

Dunno, Gnome hasn't been hostile to me.
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