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Re: X's new country-of-origin feature reveals many 'US' accounts to be foreign-run

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Post by giancarlostoro »

01100011 wrote: post #175
giancarlostoro wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. It also shows which app store country the account is tied to, and that my friend is a little bit more work. It also shows an icon when it suspects VPN. A lot of these foreign run accounts are in fact not using VPN and their host country matches their app store country. Lots of "e-girl" type of accounts are foreign owned, and there's an insane number of racist accounts LARPing as American run from places l…

You don't need an app to use X though. I've been on X for over 5 years and never installed the app. In fact, X is far better with Firefox+uBlock on mobile.

It points out when they are not using the app, and if they suspect a VPN. I saw one screenshot where it said "Desktop Browser" or something to that effect.

Re: X's new country-of-origin feature reveals many 'US' accounts to be foreign-run

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FloorEgg wrote: post #281
intended wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I applaud your efforts! You stated: > I really hope that AI business models don't fall into relying on getting and keeping attention. I also hope the creators of them exist in a win-win relationship with society as a whole. The ratio of total hours of human attention available to total hours of content is essentially 0. We have infinite content, which creates unique pressures on our information gathering and consumpt…

It feels to me like everyone responding to that comment is irrationally pessimistic. However I keep noticing little mistakes in my own wording that alter the meaning away from my intention, and I can't help but think it's my own fault for not making my point more clear. > I really hope that AI business models don't fall into relying on getting and keeping attention. What I really meant is that I hope that the economi…

Well, here’s an example of the blind spots we posses. You, and most people, by default privilege “information”. However, in our current reality, everything is “content”. Information is simply content with a flag.

The commodification is towards the production of content, not information.

Mostly, producers of Information, are producing expensive “luxury goods”, but selling them in a market for disposable, commodified goods. This is why you need to subsidize fact checkers, and news papers.

I believe this is a legacy of our history, where content production was hard and the ratio of information to content was higher.

Consumers of content are solving for not just informational and cognitive needs, they are also solving for emotional needs, with emotional needs being the more fundamental.

Consumers will struggle with so many sources of content, and will eventually look towards bundling or focus only on certain nodes.

Do note - the universe does not need to favor anything for this situation to occur. Deception is a fundamental part of our universe, because it’s part of the predator prey dynamic. This in turn arises out of the inability of any system to perfectly process all signals available to them.

There is always place for predators or prey to hide.

Re: X's new country-of-origin feature reveals many 'US' accounts to be foreign-run

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Post by pfannkuchen »

davkan wrote: post #307
pfannkuchen wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not contrasting with private schools, I’m just not sure 100% of private schools do this so I focused on what I know. It’s kind of funny how everyone projects their own dialectic framing on statements, and assumes that a person opposing side A automatically supports whatever is side B in their own mind.

Yes everyone does do that. Most people will not take a tangential single sentence criticism of an institution to mean that you hold none of the typical accompanying political views and are just narrowly opining on your experience. I would imagine a large majority of readers read your original post and immediately in their head thought, “are they one of those school voucher people” or something along those lines.

I don’t really understand why it’s necessary to assume anything at all. Can the statement not be taken at face value?

If we are all going around assuming 99% of the positions of people we are engaging with, what is the point of discussing anything?

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Post by ecoled_ame »

taejavu wrote: post #181
lazide wrote: post #140

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Do you realise how patronising it is to say that girls like Instagram because it has better colours? I'm kind of shocked to see this take on HN.

he means like “girly girls”. girls is short for girly girls

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

dehugger wrote: post #284
mlrtime wrote: post #253

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It seems a little self evident? A heroin addict might say they love it and never want to quit, at the same time say it's harmful, should be banned and nobody should ever try it.

Your analogy is equating homosexuality to heroin addiction. Was this intentional?

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Post by parineum »

protocolture wrote: post #3

Walk willingly into platos cave, pay for platos cave verification, sit down, enjoy all the discourse on the wall. Spit your drink out when you figure out that the shadows on the wall are all fake.

> Spit your drink out when you figure out that the shadows on the wall are all fake.

The shadows on the wall aren't fake, they are just... shadows of real things. Plato's cave is about having an incomplete view of reality, not a false view of reality.

Re: X's new country-of-origin feature reveals many 'US' accounts to be foreign-run

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Post by FloorEgg »

intended wrote: post #312
FloorEgg wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels to me like everyone responding to that comment is irrationally pessimistic. However I keep noticing little mistakes in my own wording that alter the meaning away from my intention, and I can't help but think it's my own fault for not making my point more clear. > I really hope that AI business models don't fall into relying on getting and keeping attention. What I really meant is that I hope that the economi…

Well, here’s an example of the blind spots we posses. You, and most people, by default privilege “information”. However, in our current reality, everything is “content”. Information is simply content with a flag. The commodification is towards the production of content, not information. Mostly, producers of Information, are producing expensive “luxury goods”, but selling them in a market for disposable, commodified g…

I agree.

I thought of the predator prey frame shortly after posting my last comment.

Maybe it boils down to game theory and cooperation vs competition, and the free energy principle. Competition (favoring deception) puts pressure on cooperation (favoring truth). Simultaneously life gets better at deceiving and at communicating the truth. They are not mutually exclusive.

When entities are locked into long term cooperation, they have a strong bias to communicate truth with each other. When entities are locked into long term competition, they have a strong bias to deceive each other.

Evolution seems to be this dance of cooperation and competition.

When a person is born, overwhelmingly what's going on between cells inside their body is cooperation. When they die, overwhelmingly what happens between cells is competition.

So one way that AI could increase access to truth, is if most relationships between people and AI are locked into long term cooperation. Not like today where it's lots of people using one model from a tech co, but something more like most people running their own on their own hardware.

I've heard people say we are in the "post truth era" and something in my gut just won't accept that. I think what's going on is the power structures we exist in are dying, which is biasing people and institutions to compete more than cooperate, and therefore deceive more than tell the truth. This is temporary, and eventually the system (and power structures) will reconfigure and bias back to cooperation, because this oscillation back and forth is just what happens over history, with a long term trend of favoring cooperation.

So to summarize... Complexity arises from oscillations between competition and cooperation, competition favors deception and cooperation favors telling the truth. Over the long-term cooperation increases. Therefore, over the long-term truth communication increases more than deception.

Re: X's new country-of-origin feature reveals many 'US' accounts to be foreign-run

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Post by JohnTHaller »

agentifysh wrote: post #7

X obviously isn't the only platform where this is taking place and it is curious as to why they rolled it back. how open are you to a US citizen verified town square online? You'd have to scan your passport or driver license to post memes and stuff.

They rolled it back because the right-wing accounts that Musk et al had been boosting turned out to be foreign actors.
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