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What OpenAI did when ChatGPT users lost touch with reality

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There are plenty of reasons why having a chatbot partner is a bad idea (especially for young people), but here's just a few: - The sycophantic and unchallenging behaviours of chatbots leaves a person unconditioned for human interactions. Real relationships have friction, from this we develop important interpersonal skills such as setting boundaries, settling disagreements, building compromise, standing up for oneself…

> The sycophantic and unchallenging behaviours of chatbots leaves a person unconditioned for human interactions. To be honest, the alternative for a good chunk of these users is no interaction at all, and that sort of isolation doesn't prepare you for human interaction either.

> To be honest, the alternative for a good chunk of these users is no interaction at all, and that sort of isolation doesn't prepare you for human interaction either.

This sounds like an argument in favor of safe injection sites for heroin users.

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There are plenty of reasons why having a chatbot partner is a bad idea (especially for young people), but here's just a few: - The sycophantic and unchallenging behaviours of chatbots leaves a person unconditioned for human interactions. Real relationships have friction, from this we develop important interpersonal skills such as setting boundaries, settling disagreements, building compromise, standing up for oneself…

> The sycophantic and unchallenging behaviours of chatbots leaves a person unconditioned for human interactions. To be honest, the alternative for a good chunk of these users is no interaction at all, and that sort of isolation doesn't prepare you for human interaction either.

Wouldn't they be seeking a romantic relationship otherwise?

Using AI to fulfill a need implies a need which usually results in action towards that need. Even "the dating scene is terrible" is human interaction.

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One of the more disturbing things I read this year was the my boyfriend is AI subreddit. I genuinely can't fathom what is going on there. Seems so wrong, yet no one there seems to care. I worry about the damage caused by these things on distressed people. What can be done?

Funnily enough I was just reading an article about this and "my boyfriend is AI" is the tamer subreddit devoted to this topic because apparently one of their rules is that they do not allow discussion of the true sentience of AI.

I used to think it was some fringe thing, but I increasingly believe AI psychosis is very real and a bigger problem than people think. I have a high level member of the leadership team at my company absolutely convinced that AI will take over governing human society in the very near future. I keep meeting more and more people who will show me slop barfed up by AI as though it was the same as them actually thinking about a topic (they will often proudly proclaim "ChatGPT wrote this!" as though uncritically accepting slop was a virtue).

People should be generally more aware of the ELIZA effect [0]. I would hope anyone serious about AI would have written their own ELIZA implementation at some point. It's not very hard and a pretty classic beginner AI-related software project, almost a party trick. Yet back when ELIZA was first released people genuinely became obsessed with it, and used it as a true companion. If such a stunning simple linguistic mimic is so effective, what chance to people have against something like ChatGPT?

LLMs are just text compression engines with the ability to interpolate, but they're much, much more powerful than ELIZA. It's fascinating to see the difference in our weakness to linguistic mimicry than to visual. Dall-E or Stable Diffusion make a slightly weird eye an instantly people act in revulsion but LLM slop much more easily escapes scrutiny.

I increasingly think we're not is as much of a bubble than it appears because the delusions of AI run so much deeper than mere bubble think. So many people I've met need AI to be more than it is on an almost existential level.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect

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One of the more disturbing things I read this year was the my boyfriend is AI subreddit. I genuinely can't fathom what is going on there. Seems so wrong, yet no one there seems to care. I worry about the damage caused by these things on distressed people. What can be done?

Didn’t futurama go there already? Yes, there are going to be things that our kids and grand kids do that shock even us. The only issue ATM is that AI sentience isn’t quite a thing yet, give the tech a couple of decades and the only argument against will be that they aren’t people.

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The tech industry's capacity to rationalize anything, including psychosis, as long as it can make money off it is truly incredible. Even the temporarily embarrassed founders that populate this message board do it openly.

We need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for all of this someday, and a lot of people will need to be behind bars, if there be any healing to be done.

> Truth and Reconciliation Commission for all of this someday, and a lot of people will need to be behind bars

You missed a cornerstone of Mandela's process.

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Is this clearly AI-generated comment part of the joke?

The comment seems less clearly-written (e.g., "It can happen for many multiple ways") than how a chatbot would phrase it.

That just means they used a smaller and less focused model.

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The comment seems less clearly-written (e.g., "It can happen for many multiple ways") than how a chatbot would phrase it.

That just means they used a smaller and less focused model.

It doesn't. Name a model that writes like that by default.

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There are plenty of reasons why having a chatbot partner is a bad idea (especially for young people), but here's just a few: - The sycophantic and unchallenging behaviours of chatbots leaves a person unconditioned for human interactions. Real relationships have friction, from this we develop important interpersonal skills such as setting boundaries, settling disagreements, building compromise, standing up for oneself…

These are only problems if you assume the person later wants to come back to having human relationships. If you assume AI relationships are the new normal and the future looks kinda like The Matrix, with each person having their own constructed version of reality while their life-force is bled dry by some superintelligent machine, then it is all working as designed.

Human relationships are part of most families, most work, etc. Could get tedious constantly dealing with people who lack any resilience or understanding of other perspectives.

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> The sycophantic and unchallenging behaviours of chatbots leaves a person unconditioned for human interactions. To be honest, the alternative for a good chunk of these users is no interaction at all, and that sort of isolation doesn't prepare you for human interaction either.

> To be honest, the alternative for a good chunk of these users is no interaction at all, and that sort of isolation doesn't prepare you for human interaction either. This sounds like an argument in favor of safe injection sites for heroin users.

Hey hey safe injecting rooms have real harm minimisation impacts. Not convinced you can say the same for chatbot boyfriends.
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