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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by KetoManx64 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #69
malfist wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by surajrmal »

0manrho wrote: post #34

If you, like me, were wondering why Google thinks it needs another operating system (ChromeOS, Android, Fuchsia - which is presumably dead (edit/turns out it's not/edit)) or where it fits in with the "stack": > ChromeOS and Aluminium Operating System (ALOS) Commercial devices across all form factors (e.g. laptops, detachables, tablets, and boxes) and tiers (e.g., Chromebook, Chromebook Plus, AL Entry, AL Mass Premium…

Aluminum and fuchsia are largely implementation details. The reasons these projects have value isn't necessary user facing, however they will have outcomes that enable products to be more useful with time. Maybe ai features are easier to ship, or it's less costly to maintain device support, or maybe they just save Google some money allowing for cheaper prices. Ultimately, they are closer to what's in the sausage than the sausage itself though and so most folks will not care. And that's okay.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by surajrmal »

xmprt wrote: post #19

The entire basis of this article/rumor is a single job posting on Google's careers website... Unifying Android across all devices is Google's holy grail and they've been hiring for that for most than a decade. I don't think we have to read into this much.

Unifying the two has never been an internal goal until 2024. I'm not sure why you think otherwise. Everything before that has just been rumors and maybe one off projects by very small amounts of people. Rebasing ChromeOS on the lower half of Android is real and has been publicly announced. It is not necessarily the layers you will notice through. It's about unifying things like the kernel, display stack, power management, Bluetooth stack, etc. There are effectively divergent universes between ChromeOS and android (and the desktop Linux ecosystem) despite these things not necessarily requiring unique solutions.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by zer0zzz »

mynameisash wrote: post #47
malfist wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

For all the complaints against Windows, legit or not, I can't envision a world in which I want the world's largest advertiser to run my desktop OS.

You don’t get a choice on that unless you’re running Linux/BSD or a Mac.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by surajrmal »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #51
bryanlarsen wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Chrome and Aluminium are Linux, so which are you trying to say is better? Or are you saying more conventional Linux is superior? Gnu/Linux is a good term for that.

When someone says "Linux" in isolation, they mean a conventional Linux distribution. Only extreme pedants and Richard Stallman call it "GNU/Linux".

I prefer to call it systems/Linux these days. The amount of gnu bits in a desktop Linux distro is ever shrinking.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by omnifischer »

rockskon wrote: post #67
0manrho wrote: post #34

If you, like me, were wondering why Google thinks it needs another operating system (ChromeOS, Android, Fuchsia - which is presumably dead (edit/turns out it's not/edit)) or where it fits in with the "stack": > ChromeOS and Aluminium Operating System (ALOS) Commercial devices across all form factors (e.g. laptops, detachables, tablets, and boxes) and tiers (e.g., Chromebook, Chromebook Plus, AL Entry, AL Mass Premium…

I don't trust Google anymore or what their business model has become over the years. I won't be using Aluminum OS.

Don't think it is targeted at you. A lot of people like you say so - but will be shoved Win11 or Apple Intelligence. Enjoy.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by omnifischer »

bandrami wrote: post #40
charcircuit wrote: post #38

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By this definition no operating system Google releases will be secure to you. I think it would be a more productive discussion if you could argue about security ignoring that you have to trust the person who wrote your operating system or designed your cpu.

The point of open source is I don't have to trust the person who wrote it

It works well for you.. but for average person. No.

As a 20 year old linux user, I do often use ChromeOS or ChromeOSflex. Just works. Beautiful UI. No more pain with webcam or wifi drivers - Yes, these have improved by still one has the pain of dropped packets (realtek wifi) etc. guaranteed 10 hour battery life.

With ChromeOS I just get 4 or 5 second - update - immutable OS. Fedora Silverblue is coming up but still not there.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by WorldPeas »

vbezhenar wrote: post #69
malfist wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

My pessimism is that with their coming clamp-down on external sources for -installing- "sideloading" apps https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45736479 this os may be somewhere between macos and ipados in terms of freedom in the coming years. I have hope that Valve's operating systems and unified platforms will provide a way not only for macos/windows users to move on while retaining compatibility, but for the company to make the transition to arm (as they are with deckard) and retain total binary freedom.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #18

Cant wait till like Android on phones, OEMs are put in charge of delivering updates to laptops, and if your laptop is older than 3 years good luck. Seems like a big downgrade compared to current ChromeOS where Google is in charge of all updates, or even Windows where Microsoft delivers the same updates to everyone.

Funny anecdote. I had a Mac Mini Core 2 Duo that Apple dropped support for relatively quickly. I installed Windows 7 on it and it was running a supported OS did years after Apple dropped support for it.

Windows 7 supported every piece of hardware on it. If Microsoft can make an operating system that supports third party computers - even those that were never meant to run it - without relying on the manufacturer, why can’t Google?

Installing Windows did not require Boot Camp from Apple.

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