Here is my proposal for AI in schools: raise the bar dramatically. Rather than trying to prevent kids from using AI, just raise the expectations of what they should accomplish with it. They should be setting really lofty goals rather than just doing the same work with less effort.
Implications of AI to schools
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#92I submitted this but why is there an xcancel link added to it?
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#93Here is my proposal for AI in schools: raise the bar dramatically. Rather than trying to prevent kids from using AI, just raise the expectations of what they should accomplish with it. They should be setting really lofty goals rather than just doing the same work with less effort.
Absolutely. I'd love to see the same effect happen in the software industry. Keep the volume of output the same, but increase the quality.
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#95Here is my proposal for AI in schools: raise the bar dramatically. Rather than trying to prevent kids from using AI, just raise the expectations of what they should accomplish with it. They should be setting really lofty goals rather than just doing the same work with less effort.
Absolutely. I'd love to see the same effect happen in the software industry. Keep the volume of output the same, but increase the quality.
that is what they do in the software industry, before it was let me catch you off guard with asking how to reverse a linked list, now its leetcode questions that are so hard that you need to know and study them weekly, and prep for a year, interviewer can tell if you started prep 3 weeks prior
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I was in college, there was a cheating scandal for the final exam where somehow people got their hands on the hardest question of the exam. The professor noticed it (presumably via seeing poor "show your work") and gave zero points on the question to everyone. And once you went to complain about your grade, she would ask you to explain the answer there in her office and work through the problem live. I thought i…
Only if she advertised that option somehow. I worked two jobs in college, I didn't take time off to go complain about my grades.
Not to mention there'd be at least a few students too timid to challenge the teacher, even if they knew they got it right.
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#98One of my students recently came to me with an interesting dilemma. His sister had written (without AI tools) an essay for another class, and her teacher told her that an "AI detection tool" had classified it as having been written by AI with "100% confidence". He was going to give her a zero on the assignment. Putting aside the ludicrous confidence score, the student's question was: how could his sister convince the…
Write it in something like Google docs that tracks changes and then share the link with the revision history. If this is insufficient, then there are tools specifically for education contexts that track student writing process. Detecting the whole essay being copied and pasted from an outside source is trivial. Detecting artificial typing patterns is a little more tricky, but also feasible. These methods dramatically…
Thought it is a good idea at first, but can easily be defeated with typing out AI contents. One can add pauses/deletions/edits or true edits from joining ideas different AI outputs.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Write it in something like Google docs that tracks changes and then share the link with the revision history. If this is insufficient, then there are tools specifically for education contexts that track student writing process. Detecting the whole essay being copied and pasted from an outside source is trivial. Detecting artificial typing patterns is a little more tricky, but also feasible. These methods dramatically…
Thought it is a good idea at first, but can easily be defeated with typing out AI contents. One can add pauses/deletions/edits or true edits from joining ideas different AI outputs.
> Detecting artificial typing patterns is a little more tricky, but also feasible.
Keystroke dynamics can detect artificial typing patterns (copying another source by typing it out manually). If a student has to go way out of their way to make their behavior appear authentic then it's decreasing advantage of cheating and less students will do it.
If the student is integrating answers from multiple AI responses then maybe that's a good thing for them to be learning and the assessment should allow it.
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#100"You have to assume that any work done outside classroom has used AI." That is just such a wildly cynical point of view, and it is incredibly depressing. There is a whole huge cohort of kids out there who genuinely want to learn and want to do the work, and feel like using AI is cheating. These are the kids who, ironically, AI will help the most, because they're the ones who will understand the fundamentals being tau…
> There is a whole huge cohort of kids out there Well, it seems the vast majority doesn't care about cheating, and is using AI for everything. And this is from primary school to university. It's not just that AI makes it simpler, so many pupils cannot concentrate anymore. Tiktok and others have fried their mind. So AI is a quick way out for them. Back to their addiction.
Addiction created by you and me, laboring for Zuck’s profit.
There’s a reason this stuff is banned in China. Their pupils suffer no such opiate.