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France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

moffkalast wrote: post #172
cedws wrote: post #130

Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

You know I didn't use to understand libertarians, but after years of watching boundaries being overstepped again and again I think I see the appeal of burning it all down and living in a cabin in the woods. Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want? Security is beyond a laughable excuse for things like chat control. Power tripping el…

I agree with your overall sentiment, except:

"Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms"

Russia. Putin.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by johnwayne666 »

HN title: "France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors"

LQDN: "Dans ces articles, la cheffe de la section cybercriminalité du parquet de Paris – à l'origine de l'arrestation de Pavel Durov – menace également les développeurs·es de GrapheneOs. Interviewée, elle prévient qu'elle ne s'« empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation criminelle et qu’ils ne coopèrent pas avec la justice »."

In the (very short) linked article: No mention of arrest, server seizure or backdoor, and a more nuanced take. Loosely translated summary: Some users have a legitimate need to protect their communications. IF we find links with criminal organizations AND there is no cooperation, then we might take action. They're specifically taking the approach of a case by case hack of single phones which might cost up to a million euros. Is this an issue if there's a warrant?

This seems blown out of proportion?

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by mistercheph »

jtbayly wrote: post #114
londons_explore wrote: post #96

If the small guys are getting threats like this, one can only assume the big guys already have suitable backdoors...

Perhaps, or perhaps they started with companies that are smaller and easier to intimidate.

Larger companies are easier to influence than small ones, no intimidation is necessary.

Protecting user privacy delivers close to 0 shareholder value, being friendly with nations wins you billions of dollars in contracts, regulatory protection, and friendly courts, it's a win-win for big companies and surveillance states to be friendly with each other.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by delusional »

moffkalast wrote: post #172
cedws wrote: post #130

Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning. Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse. https://x.com/durov/status/1976420399970701543

You know I didn't use to understand libertarians, but after years of watching boundaries being overstepped again and again I think I see the appeal of burning it all down and living in a cabin in the woods. Like, in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want? Security is beyond a laughable excuse for things like chat control. Power tripping el…

> in Europe we already live in a completely safe society in historical and geographic terms, what more do you fucking want?

For people not to get killed, abused, and exploited? You don't sound like a "libertarian" you sound like an anarchist.

You know who has a large part of the population under global 24/7 surveillance right now? Google, Facebook, Microsoft.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by juvoly »

londons_explore wrote: post #94
schoen wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did "links" mean "a criminal organization is involved in the project" or "a criminal organization is using the technology"?

I wonder if say some drug cartel was found to be donating money to graphene?

... And what if a competing mobile OS (say iOS or android) received payments or donations from said organization :-)

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by blueflow »

udev4096 wrote: post #199
blueflow wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not proven state action - this is hearsay. Maybe the GrapheneOS project should wait for the first warrant to arrive or police raid to happen before claiming what they currently do. With the current evidence, its not ruled out that the french state is not doing anything at all.

Are you serious? A storm is heading towards you and you wanna just keep watching it until it hits you? Absolute bafoon

shouting that the situation is bad is not evidence, either.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by delusional »

johnwayne666 wrote: post #202

HN title: "France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors" LQDN: "Dans ces articles, la cheffe de la section cybercriminalité du parquet de Paris – à l'origine de l'arrestation de Pavel Durov – menace également les développeurs·es de GrapheneOs. Interviewée, elle prévient qu'elle ne s'« empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation crimi…

> This seems blown out of proportion?

Par for the course on hacker news.

Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

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Post by udev4096 »

riedel wrote: post #93
nabakin wrote: post #6

Google Translate link: https://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&hl=en&u=https:/... Additional context: https://grapheneos.social/deck/@GrapheneOS/11557599710445618... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115583866253016416 https://grapheneos.social/@LaQuadrature@mamot.fr/11558177594... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115589833471347871 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115594002434998739

I like grapheneOS. Their have a clear focus and that should be respected. However, all that drama about e/OS they are creating and claims about fascist law enforcement are a bit over the top IMHO.

e/OS is a fucking joke
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