Gotta love the Streisand effect that happens due to stuff like this!
France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#122The linked article from Le Parisien (a big French billionaire-owned newspaper) is quite nuanced. It gives the police's view on narco-trafic crime, but also Graphene's take : "Criminals and traffickers also use knives." This organization, which is not a company but a foundation, emphasizes that its solution is used by ordinary people who dislike how apps and operating systems handle their data. It adds that if crimina…
I'm unsure whether it's appropriate to trust Le Parisien's equivalencies. Q: Do they have a track-record of intellectual honesty? Equivalencies are powerful, and dangerous if mis-handled. E.g. this is worrying [from the article]: "A unique feature of GrapheneOS is that it can be obtained both on the dark web and on mainstream websites." Le Parisien is calling out GrapheneOS's availability on the "Dark Web" as signifi…
> and banned books are not illegal, yet,
now now comrade, if the book is banned, how is it that you are in possession of it? you're clearly breaking the rules. I do believe it is time for you to start counting trees
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#123I think EncroChat scared them pas-de-merde, and this may be an overreaction by untutored civil servants.
I watched a fascinating documentary about EncroChat (https://www.channel4.com/programmes/operation-dark-phone-mur...). It was obvious the police absolutely loved having this real time feed into criminal communications, and thought "let's have more of that please". They don't realise the consequences are that criminals won't use such forms of communication once they know they're backdoored.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#124I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.
I'm torn. I don't want backdoors but I do think police with a warrant from a judge should be able to access your phone.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#125There were many decades where phones didn't have back doors. Now, it's the opposite case in the most dystopian way. It's concerning that all phones are required to have back doors for law enforcement and the enforcement is severe. I know several people who have a corrupt "cop they know" that they can regularly contact for favors. Why is it so out of the ordinary to distrust law enforcement when they have these tools?
>There were many decades where phones didn't have back doors.
Yeah back then we just listened to the phone calls with scanners.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#126Google Translate link: https://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&hl=en&u=https:/... Additional context: https://grapheneos.social/deck/@GrapheneOS/11557599710445618... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115583866253016416 https://grapheneos.social/@LaQuadrature@mamot.fr/11558177594... https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115589833471347871 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115594002434998739
Too bad Google Translate doesn't have a subscription to Le Parisien.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#127I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.
> if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.
Last time I checked, politicians and cops are private citizens...
Wherever you stand on this, I can't understand the justification for this "one rule for thee" position.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#128If the small guys are getting threats like this, one can only assume the big guys already have suitable backdoors...
I can understand you thinking that and there's probably some truth to it but do I consider Android and iOS compromised with government backdoors? No. What do I base this on? The lucrative black market for Android/iOS 0days.
And who's buying them? Generally, state actors, directly or indirectly. There is an entire ecosystem of Israeli "security" companies that exist to farm out these exploits. This is a big part of why Israel is such a key component of the American national security infrastructure. Israel is largely beyond the jurisdiction of American courts and any kind of direct scrutiny by the government.
It's a bit like how the US isn't (technically) allowed to spy on US citizens. How do they get around this? By farming out such activities to allied intelligence services, particularly Five Eyes members.
This entire ecosystem and marketplace just wouldn't exist if Android or iOS were fully backdoored.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#129The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way. The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”
France has threatened us with the same actions they took against SkyECC and Encrochat if we do not cooperate by providing law enforcement access into devices. This was published via Le Parisien in one of their articles and through French state media. They're absolutely threatening us that way.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#130Remember when they arrested Pavel Durov? I don't buy their official reasoning.
Dear European friends, our leaders are tightening the screws. If we don't make our voices heard this is only going to get worse.