[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45999024
It’s a much better link this time though.
France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
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Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#52At the end of the day, these attacks on privacy are always in reality for keeping incompetent politicians and bureaucrat's safe from meritocracy.
Built into the onslaught of demands of backdoors are two key ideas: A) That the backdoors will only be exploitable by the authorities and that B) they're even necessary to carry out their work in stopping trafficing.
I think most people know by now the first idea is preposterous. The second idea is too. The EU should focus on better police tools and tactics that detect and track the actual movement of goods.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#53Is it safe to assume, then, that Google and Apple already have backdoors in their operating systems as likely requested by many governments around the world (not least of which the one from their home country)? Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon? Either way, makes Google and Apple look bad and/or incompetent and GrapheneOS look like some kind of beacon of user protection / p…
Yes, it's safe to assume that companies follow the law in countries where they operate.
So we need GrapheneOS to stand their ground more than ever!
My country has this: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2024/09/australia-thr...
Which kinda ruins it for everyone.
Additionally, I would assume/guess that if it's some kind of coordinated campaign involving media then there is no law to compel GrapheneOS to do this. If they're was a law then that would be the pressure, as opposed to media articles.
What that then implies is a campaign to convince the public a law is necessary, ie. they're already laying the ground work for support for the next version of a Chat Control bill.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#54Is it safe to assume, then, that Google and Apple already have backdoors in their operating systems as likely requested by many governments around the world (not least of which the one from their home country)? Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon? Either way, makes Google and Apple look bad and/or incompetent and GrapheneOS look like some kind of beacon of user protection / p…
Apple has already taken the US government to court and forced them to back down after the FBI demanded that they insert a backdoor into iOS.
> In 2015 and 2016, Apple Inc. received and objected to or challenged at least 11 orders issued by United States district courts under the All Writs Act of 1789.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...
This year, Apple took the UK to court and announced that they would strip encryption features from UK users before they would give in to UK demands for an encryption back door before the UK backed down.
If Graphene has the money to do so, they should fight it out in the courts.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
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I understand they are similar, but I think this post adds new information to the situation. Regardless, appreciate your help moderating the site.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#57Just to be clear about what is really happening right now;
There were three articles from newspapers (Le Figaro, Le Parisien) known for their rightist, pro-cops, opinions, and owned by billionaires (LVMH/Arnault, Dassault). In those articles, GrapheneOS is associated with bad actors purpotedly using it as a way to obfuscate their activities.
A comment was made by Johanna Brousse, Chief of French Cybercrime Unit, stating she would not refrain from pursuing the publishers if links were found with a criminal organization and they refused to cooperate with the justice system.
Another claim from a police investigator equates GrapheneOS usage to illegal activity.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#58At the end of the day, these attacks on privacy are always in reality for keeping incompetent politicians and bureaucrat's safe from meritocracy. Built into the onslaught of demands of backdoors are two key ideas: A) That the backdoors will only be exploitable by the authorities and that B) they're even necessary to carry out their work in stopping trafficing. I think most people know by now the first idea is prepost…
All politicians and bureaucrats demanding backdoors should go straight into prison -- for endangering national security.
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#59The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way.
The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”
Re: France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
#60There were many decades where phones didn't have back doors. Now, it's the opposite case in the most dystopian way. It's concerning that all phones are required to have back doors for law enforcement and the enforcement is severe. I know several people who have a corrupt "cop they know" that they can regularly contact for favors. Why is it so out of the ordinary to distrust law enforcement when they have these tools?