France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

Post by estebank » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:15 PM UTC

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #9

Is it safe to assume, then, that Google and Apple already have backdoors in their operating systems as likely requested by many governments around the world (not least of which the one from their home country)? Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon? Either way, makes Google and Apple look bad and/or incompetent and GrapheneOS look like some kind of beacon of user protection / p…

Post by pluralmonad » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:16 PM UTC

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #16

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #9

Is it safe to assume, then, that Google and Apple already have backdoors in their operating systems as likely requested by many governments around the world (not least of which the one from their home country)? Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon? Either way, makes Google and Apple look bad and/or incompetent and GrapheneOS look like some kind of beacon of user protection / p…

I seem to remember the FBI attempting to compel Apple to decrypt a criminal's iPhone, only for Apple to refuse and claim that it wasn't possible. I'm not sure exactly what happened after that. I think it was suspected that the NSA was able to do it by exploiting an unpatched zero-day. So they didn't need Apple's help anymore and the issue was dropped from the public's eye.

Post by nabakin » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:17 PM UTC

shlip wrote: post #24

nabakin wrote: post #2

This is a better link from a French privacy non-profit but I can't change it now: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042 @dang or other mods, could you change it? Google Translated text: > Two articles in Le Parisien yesterday, followed today by one in Le Figaro, have launched a shameful attack against GrapheneOS, a free and accessible open-source operating system for phones. At La Quadrature du Net, it's…

I think you meant https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042 instead of a link to "Le Parisien", which is not a non profit, but a newspaper owned by LVMH/Bernard Arnault, and known for having rightist opinions.

Post by roywiggins » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:17 PM UTC

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #16

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #9

Is it safe to assume, then, that Google and Apple already have backdoors in their operating systems as likely requested by many governments around the world (not least of which the one from their home country)? Or is GrapheneOS the only one built securely enough to need to be leaned upon? Either way, makes Google and Apple look bad and/or incompetent and GrapheneOS look like some kind of beacon of user protection / p…

I seem to remember the FBI attempting to compel Apple to decrypt a criminal's iPhone, only for Apple to refuse and claim that it wasn't possible. I'm not sure exactly what happened after that. I think it was suspected that the NSA was able to do it by exploiting an unpatched zero-day. So they didn't need Apple's help anymore and the issue was dropped from the public's eye.

Post by mindslight » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:18 PM UTC

wutwutwat wrote: post #20

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seem to remember the FBI attempting to compel Apple to decrypt a criminal's iPhone, only for Apple to refuse and claim that it wasn't possible. I'm not sure exactly what happened after that. I think it was suspected that the NSA was able to do it by exploiting an unpatched zero-day. So they didn't need Apple's help anymore and the issue was dropped from the public's eye.

That was show put on for the sole reason of the public seeing it.