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Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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I still can't believe that we are in the era of 'star trek' like "Computer plot me a proof for this math problem" in my life time! Wish we could also do the same for "Beam me up scotty"

> Wish we could also do the same for "Beam me up scotty" You might die every time you do, though, so maybe not.

that also brings the philosophycal question of will I be the same if all my atoms and molecules are copied exactly the same?

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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I'm not a mathematician, but how credible is that anti-Lean material? Are they marketing an alternative programmatic approach, as in they're anti-lean because "I got something else" or are they philosophically anti-Lean and have valid arguments?

It seems pretty obviously machine generated, and the appearance of the word "metaphysics" in the output suggests the prompt author didn't know what they were talking about to begin with.

> the appearance of the word "metaphysics" in the output suggests the prompt author didn't know what they were talking about to begin with.

Or the author is not natively fluent in English.

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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post #54

Having the ability to throw math heavy ML papers at the assistants and get simplified explanations / pseudocode back is absolutely amazing, as someone who's forgot most of what I learned in uni, 25+ years back and never really used it since.

How do you verify that the explanation is accurate? Mathematical definitions can be very subtle.

The answer is you put the top mathematician in the world to do it, easy peasy.

“The argument used some p-adic algebraic number theory which was overkill for this problem. I then spent about half an hour converting the proof by hand into a more elementary proof, which I presented on the site.”

What’s the exchange rate for 30 minutes of Tao’s brain time in regular researcher’s time? 90 days? A year?

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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post #61

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> Wish we could also do the same for "Beam me up scotty" You might die every time you do, though, so maybe not.

that also brings the philosophycal question of will I be the same if all my atoms and molecules are copied exactly the same?

Thinking about such questions before we are capable of doing such an experiment at least with small animals is like discussing how many angels can stand on the point of a pin.

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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I could be wrong, but FWIW I doubt Hungarians include diacritics that don’t exist in Hungarian (like ñ) when writing foreign names.

Depends. There are names that are "romanized" to Hungarian pronunciation rules, like Dosztojevszkij (Dostoevsky), or Kolumbusz Kristóf (Cristoforo Colombo - Hungarian puts the family name first), though it is no longer the practice, it's mostly used for historic names only. That is, Trump is written like that, and not as we would pronounce (something like "Trámp") In general, if the source language has a latin alphab…

How would you write e.g. the Spanish surname Yáñez ?

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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post #61

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that also brings the philosophycal question of will I be the same if all my atoms and molecules are copied exactly the same?

Thinking about such questions before we are capable of doing such an experiment at least with small animals is like discussing how many angels can stand on the point of a pin.

I am not sure philosophy interests itself about if we can do it yet or not.

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Depends. There are names that are "romanized" to Hungarian pronunciation rules, like Dosztojevszkij (Dostoevsky), or Kolumbusz Kristóf (Cristoforo Colombo - Hungarian puts the family name first), though it is no longer the practice, it's mostly used for historic names only. That is, Trump is written like that, and not as we would pronounce (something like "Trámp") In general, if the source language has a latin alphab…

How would you write e.g. the Spanish surname Yáñez ?

Unless it's a famous person who lived several centuries ago, probably would leave it as Yáñez, or if I (or more realistically, an average, not too technical user) were to not have an easy way to input the special characters, then as Yanez. Probably not as Yánez, even though we do have the letter 'á', but leaving it as is may be more misleading in terms of pronunciation then the non-accented version.

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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Isn't there a risk that you're engaging with an inaccurate summarization? At some point inaccurate information is worse than no information. Perhaps in low stakes situations it could at least guarantee some entertainment value. Though I worry that folks will get into high stakes situations without the tools to distinguish facts from smoothly worded slop.

There is, but there is an equal risk if you were to engage about any topic with any teacher you know. Everyone has a bias, and as long as you dont base your worldview and decisions fully on one output you will be fine.

Experimenting with LLMs, I've had examples like it providing the Cantor Set (a totally disconnected topological space) as an example of a Continuum immediately after it provides the (correct) definition as a non-empty compact, connected (Hausdorff) topological space. This is immediately obvious as nonsense if you understand the topic, but if one was attempting to learn from this, it could be very confusing and misleading. No human teacher would do this.

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It's mainly the latter, although the author makes half-hearted gestures as some sort of CAS (Computer Algebra System) being better. It's not very credible. There are individual fragments that make sense but it's not consistent when taken together. For example, by making reference to Godelian problems and his overall mistrust of infinitary structures, he's implicitly endorsing ultrafinitism (not just finitism because…

I wonder what the ultrafinist argument against theorems about the natural numbers as defined in Coq would be.

They would say the theorems are meaningless.

The classical mathematician would respond that the theorems are clearly meaningful and you can easily test them against any natural numbers you care about to see empirically they are meaningful.

The ultrafinitist would respond that they are only coincidentally correct, in the same way that pre-modern mathematical reasoning was often very sloppy, featured regular abuse of notation, and had no coherent foundations, but nonetheless still often arrived at correct conclusions by "coincidence."

The classical mathematician might then go over how strong the intuition of something like "there exists a number that..." is and how it is an easily empirically validated statement...

And so the debate would keep going.

Re: Terence Tao: At the Erdos problem website, AI assistance now becoming routine

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post #27

Having the ability to throw math heavy ML papers at the assistants and get simplified explanations / pseudocode back is absolutely amazing, as someone who's forgot most of what I learned in uni, 25+ years back and never really used it since.

This is where LLMs shine for learning imo: throwing a paper in Claude and getting an overview then being able to ask questions. Especially for fields that I didn’t study at the Bachelors or Masters level, like biology. Getting to engage with deeper research with a knowledgeable tutor assistant has enabled me to go deeper than I otherwise could.

If you did not study these topics, the chances are good you do not know what questions to even ask, let alone how to ask them. Add to the fact that you don't even know if the original summary is accurate.
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