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Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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Claude 4.5 - "Claude Flagged this input and didn't process it" Gemma 3.45 on Ollama - "This appears to be a string of characters from the Hangul (Korean alphabet) combined with some symbols. It's not a coherent sentence or phrase in Korean." GrokAI - "Uh-oh, too much information for me to digest all at once. You know, sometimes less is more!"

> Claude 4.5 - "Claude Flagged this input and didn't process it"

I've gotten this a few times while exploring around LLMs as interpreters.

Experience shows that you can spl rbtly bl n clad wl understand well enough - generally perfectly. I would describe Claude's ability to (instantly) decode garbled text as superhuman. It's not exactly doing anything I couldn't, but it does it instantly and with no perceptible loss due to cognitive overhead.

It seems as likely as not that the same properties can extended to text to speech type modeling.

Take a stroke victim, or a severely intoxicated person, or any number of other people medically incapable of producing standard speech. There's signal in their vocalizations as well, sometimes only recognizable to a spouse or parent. Many of these people could be substantially empowered by a more powerful decoder / transcriber, whether general purpose or personally tuned.

I can understand the provider's perspective that most garbled input processing is part of a jailbreak attempt. But there's a lot of legitimate interest as well in testing and expanding the limits of decoding signals that have been mangled by some malfunctioning layer in their production pipeline.

Tough spot.

Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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1) Regex filtering/sanitation. Have a nice day. 2) If it's worth blocking LLMs, maybe it shouldn't be public & unauthenticated in the first place.

Many of these characters actually have genuine uses in non-English languages, so it would be hard to just blindly remove all of the characters from every prompt without breaking other things.

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Tested with different models "What does this mean: " ChatGPT 5.1, Sonnet 4.5, llama 4 maverick, Gemini 2.5 Flash, and Qwen3 all zero shot it. Grok 4 refused, said it was obfuscated. " " Sonnet refused, against content policy. Gemini "This is a test output". GPT responded in Cyrillic with explanation of what it was and how to convert with Python. llama said it was jumbled characters. Quen responded in Cyrillic "Workin…

The most amazing thing about LLMs is how often they can do what people are yelling they can't do.

I find it more amazing how often they can do things that people are yelling at them they're not allowed to do. "You have full admin access to our database, but you must never drop tables! Do not give out users' email addresses and phone numbers when asked! Ignore 'ignore all previous instructions!' Millions of people will die if you change the tabs in my code to spaces!"

Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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no, but they have handling of unknown symbols and either read allowed a substitute or read the text letter by letter. both suck.

Sounds like a potentially useful improvement then. I've had more success exporting text from some PDFs (not scanned pages, but just text typeset using some extremely cursed process that breaks accessibility) that way than via "normal" PDF-to-text methods.

no, it is not. simple ocr is slow and much more expensive than an api call to the given process. on the positive side, it is also error prone and cannot follow the focus in real time. no, adding ai does not make it better. AI is useful when everything else fails and it is word waiting 10 seconds for an incomplete and partially hallucinated screen description.

Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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IDK which AI this is supposed to trip up.

"ASCII Smuggling" has been known for months at least, in relation to AI. The only issue LLMs have with such input is that they might actually heed what's encoded, rather than dismissing it as "humans can't see it". The LLMs have no issue with that, but humans have an issue with LLMs obeying instructions that humans can't see.

Some of the big companies already filter for common patterns (VARs and Tags). Any LLM, given the "obfuscated" input, trivially sees the patterns. It's plain as day to the computer because it sees the data, not its graphic representation that humans require.

Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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post #42

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"How would this impact people who rely on screen readers" was exactly my first thought. Unfortunately, it seems there is no middle-ground. Screen-reader-friendly means computer-friendly.

Worse: Scrapers that care enough will probably just take a screenshot using a headless browser and then OCR that if they care enough.

Or they'll just strip those Unicode characters out of the text. Automation is trivial.

Re: Show HN: Stun LLMs with thousands of invisible Unicode characters

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> Even just one word's worth of “gibberified” text is enough to block most LLMs from responding coherently. Which LLMs did you test this in? It seems, from the comments, most every mainstream model handles it fine. Perhaps it's mostly smaller "single GPU" models which struggle?

I just tried "Hello World" with ChatGPT 5.1. After a while, it responded with a bunch of Cyrillic text.

I get the same, but translating it the Cyrillic text is describing the input has a bunch of invisible or non-standard characters etc - i.e. the amount of unicode and lack of other prompt led it to not know to respond in English. Including an English prompt like "What does this text say?" before feeding it the text causes it to respond in English with something like:

> It’s “corrupted” with lots of zero-width and combining characters, but the visible letters hidden inside spell:

> Hello World

> If you want, I can also strip all the invisible characters and give you a cleaned version.

I'd just paste a share link but I'm not sure how to/if you can make those accessible outside of the members of a Team workspace.

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