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Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by sofixa »

kalaksi wrote: post #116
yanhangyhy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once China solves the Taiwan problem they're going to turn their sights on Korea and Japan. China will not annex Japan or South Korea. As a Chinese person, I can assure you that this is not how our mindset works at all. Most of the Western media hype about this is deliberately designed to muddy the waters around the Taiwan issue. Taiwan is different: the vast majority of people there are ethnically Chinese, so reun…

> Taiwan is different: the vast majority of people there are ethnically Chinese, so reunification is seen as an absolute necessity. How does that make it a "necessity"? It's not for China to decide? This is the reasoning Russia uses when invading neighboring countries. To "protect" russian people and claim that are russians anyway and want to get annexed (still wouldn't make it right). If someone wants to join Russia…

> How does that make it a "necessity"? It's not for China to decide? This is the reasoning Russia uses when invading neighboring countries. To "protect" russian people and claim that are russians anyway and want to get annexed (still wouldn't make it right). If someone wants to join Russia, they should move to Russia.

The difference is that Taiwan only exists because the losers of the Chinese Civil war ran away to it, and the winners (CCP) were not allowed by the US to finish the job. So for the CCP, Taiwan has always been a problem still left to resolve, an American thorn in their side. It was along the main reasons for them joining the Korean war, because the monumentally dumb McArthur publicly praised and supported Chiang (the leader of the losers of the civil war, the KMT), which led to CCP fears the US will use the Korean peninsula as a sprinboard to attack them and install Chiang back to power.

So while self-determination trumps those concerns for my personal view, I can totally see where China (CCP) is coming from. Especially with a very aggressive American stance against them, why would they want to keep a very friendly to the US runaway province out there?

For Americans, imagine the Confederates ran away to Puerto Rico, force assimilated the locals, and became very friendly with Russia. For the French, that a Bonaparte was ruling Corsica while being friendly with the big bad wolf (depending on the age, Brits or Russians maybe). And on and on.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by yanhangyhy »

actionfromafar wrote: post #92
yanhangyhy wrote: post #53

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Sure, nationalism definitely serves that purpose. But please consider: in the most recent conflicts/flare-ups, the initiator has actually been Japan, not China. Their new female prime minister is an extreme-right-wing politician who is not only provoking China, but also picking fights with South Korea and Russia at the same time, while pushing aggressively anti-immigrant and exclusionary policies. Her approval rating…

Not strange at all. China is powerful, thus scary.

sounds fair. but i doubt the normal japan people know that...

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by mytailorisrich »

ivell wrote: post #152
mytailorisrich wrote: post #97

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Arunachal Pradesh is a historic part of Tibet and was part of the Qing Empire before the Chinese revolution of 1912. When Tibet then broke away from China the Brits got what is now Arunachal Pradesh from Tibet. Hence the ongoing Chinese claim but the days of any military actions are long gone.

If historical claims are valid, then Mongols would be very happy to claim large swaths of land. Or if more recent claims are to be taken, then the Brits have claims over quite a large amount of countries. Historical claims are meaningless and are just an excuse for expansion.

I did not comment on the "validity" of the claim, just explained its rationale and history.

Chinese territorial claims in general are not "an excuse for expansion", they are rooted in territorial losses at the end of the 19th century and during the revolution of 1912 with the formal aim of recovering them. They also predate the PRC as you'll find that the ROC/Taiwan has the same claims for the same reason. This does not mean that China is going to go to war over them, certainly it won't go to war with India.

No need for drama or hysteria over those claims.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by RobotToaster »

SUKEIRAA wrote: post #137
rfoo wrote: post #33

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China maintain the view that Tibet is part of China since the establishment of PRC, and they make this very explicit. Same for their border disputes with India. China never admitted that they believe it's not theirs. Mea while China does not ever say that Japan or Korea is part of China (and it's the only reason why they keep North Korea from collapsing despite it being super annoying). So, again, any example of Chin…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands

Islands that were stolen from China during the Imperial Japanese occupation?

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by yanhangyhy »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #161
yanhangyhy wrote: post #10

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> Once China solves the Taiwan problem they're going to turn their sights on Korea and Japan. China will not annex Japan or South Korea. As a Chinese person, I can assure you that this is not how our mindset works at all. Most of the Western media hype about this is deliberately designed to muddy the waters around the Taiwan issue. Taiwan is different: the vast majority of people there are ethnically Chinese, so reun…

The CCP has demonstrated that it’s not above killing tens of millions of its own citizens to achieve its political aims. I doubt they’d see ‘pacifying’ an occupied population as much of an issue.

you sounds dispointed. but i believe the future will tell you the truth and i'm telling the facts.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by mikkupikku »

keepamovin wrote: post #166

Maybe we should stop selecting islands next to China to be global critical supply chain hubs. I mean, even if the Chinese were non-expansionist and benevolent, it's still kind of tempting them a little too much.

Who is "we"? Japan doesn't have much choice, they either do things even though they are next to China, or ..what?

Maybe its time for people to stop being paralyzed by fear and invest in their future. If China is such a severe threat to Japan, then invest more in the JSDF. Yes, China is powerful and has an aggressive stance, but that's no reason to give up without a fight. Japan and South Korea together can very nearly match China's shipbuilding tonnage per year, and besides that Japan collaborates with America to develop advanced naval missiles like the SM-3 Block IIA. Effective deterrence of China w.r.t. Japan should be achievable if people stop overdosing on blackpills.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by yanhangyhy »

corimaith wrote: post #170
yanhangyhy wrote: post #10

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> Once China solves the Taiwan problem they're going to turn their sights on Korea and Japan. China will not annex Japan or South Korea. As a Chinese person, I can assure you that this is not how our mindset works at all. Most of the Western media hype about this is deliberately designed to muddy the waters around the Taiwan issue. Taiwan is different: the vast majority of people there are ethnically Chinese, so reun…

Invasion is one thing, unfavorable trade deals, deindustrialization, and political coercion is more realistic outcome yet all the more undesirable. Imperialism after all often didn't spread spread by outright conquest.

yeah like the tariffs.

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Post by brabel »

noduerme wrote: post #68
rich_sasha wrote: post #58

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It would be darkly amusing if all chips come from either politically unstable Taiwan or seismically unstable Hokkaido. But then Japan seems amazing at producing all sorts of other delicate things, despite all of its soil being basically built out of earthquakes, so I guess they have this bit figured out.

That's not even a tough call if you had to lay odds on which would go offline first. Is "politically unstable" once again an acceptable euphemism for a small democracy being threatened with destruction by a totalitarian superpower? I thought we decided that was gauche. After, say, the German invasion of Czechoslovakia.

China doesn’t want to destroy Taiwan , it wants to reunite with it like it did with other territories that had been taken by foreign powers, like happened to Hong Kong and Macau. Taiwan was occupied by Japan and then never went back to being China after the Japanese were defeated because the Chinese Party that was defeated in the Revolution fled to the Island and never accepted the PRC as legit government in China. Some of the more nationalist Taiwanese even consider themselves to be the legit government in exile of all China. You seem to not understand any of that when you compare China with Nazi Germany, really embarrassing.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by kalaksi »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #184
kalaksi wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Taiwan is different: the vast majority of people there are ethnically Chinese, so reunification is seen as an absolute necessity. How does that make it a "necessity"? It's not for China to decide? This is the reasoning Russia uses when invading neighboring countries. To "protect" russian people and claim that are russians anyway and want to get annexed (still wouldn't make it right). If someone wants to join Russia…

> It's not for China to decide? do your homework, taiwan also claims its china. maybe you mean its not for them to decide?

I don't claim to know the Taiwan situation well. I'm just saying that culture or ethnicity of people isn't a sufficient argument in general.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by RobotToaster »

kamaal wrote: post #77
gsky wrote: post #73

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Nonsense. China occupied big chunch of Indian land. They will be a big war sooner or later. It's just how the world works

You want us(Indians) and Chinese to go to war. We stubbornly refuse to. Both countries, have now have growing economies with stable politics, and social direction. Things can only get better from here, and will. Whatever issues exist, we resolve by talking. Often, a few give and take moves are needed, which are mostly ok. Because way bigger good things await these both nations. And we want them. Either way there is n…

> You want us(Indians) and Chinese to go to war. We stubbornly refuse to.

Americans love sending other people into meat grinders for bankers' profit.

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