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Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by tonyhart7 »

watwut wrote: post #118
abc123abc123 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah... europe will become king of the world! We'll tax and regulate ourselves to enormous wealth! No... jokes aside, europe is a failed union, and will slowly collapse or decompose in a decade or two. Then we can again focus on trade, lowering taxs and creating value. The only thing that is happening now is that the political class has become enormously rich through bribes and by having managed to phase out democracy…

You mean, like America is doing right now while simultaneously destroying its international position and quality of life?

"simultaneously destroying its international position"

US has been doing the same thing for last 200 years and you act like its been different ???

oh, is that because you dnt get benefit as opposed to instability that US cause like middle east, south america, africa and asia ????

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by [deleted] »

noduerme wrote: post #68
rich_sasha wrote: post #58

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It would be darkly amusing if all chips come from either politically unstable Taiwan or seismically unstable Hokkaido. But then Japan seems amazing at producing all sorts of other delicate things, despite all of its soil being basically built out of earthquakes, so I guess they have this bit figured out.

That's not even a tough call if you had to lay odds on which would go offline first. Is "politically unstable" once again an acceptable euphemism for a small democracy being threatened with destruction by a totalitarian superpower? I thought we decided that was gauche. After, say, the German invasion of Czechoslovakia.

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Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by MangoToupe »

SllX wrote: post #95
Braxton1980 wrote: post #79

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I don't think China wants to destroy Taiwan. They want it to be a part of China.

Right now there is no non-violent path to achieving that because Taiwan intends to violently and militarily resist if it comes to that. Probably with the aid of America, although I’m a lot less certain of that than 5 year ago, and it’s looking like it’s a lot more likely to be with the aid of Japan as well. Also a success by the PRC would still result in the political destruction of the Republic of China and the subj…

> Taiwan intends to violently and militarily resist if it comes to that

I sincerely wonder if the people who live there agree. I sure as hell wouldn't put up much fight if china tried to invade my country; just the opposite. If anything I wonder if voluntary unification is on the table in today's climate

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by aurareturn »

SllX wrote: post #95
Braxton1980 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think China wants to destroy Taiwan. They want it to be a part of China.

Right now there is no non-violent path to achieving that because Taiwan intends to violently and militarily resist if it comes to that. Probably with the aid of America, although I’m a lot less certain of that than 5 year ago, and it’s looking like it’s a lot more likely to be with the aid of Japan as well. Also a success by the PRC would still result in the political destruction of the Republic of China and the subj…

  because Taiwan intends to violently and militarily resist if it comes to that
I doubt Taiwan truly wants to do this. It has more to do with the US wanting to use Taiwan as a pawn to contain China's power.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

laughing_man wrote: post #100
constantcrying wrote: post #75

As a European I have to say I am extremely jealous of a government with the willingness of doing something as radical as this. Europe desperately needs to secure its own semi conductor supply chain. Neither the EU nor any member states seems willing to do anything about this though. Europe still is in a position, where it feasibly could control 100% of the semiconductor value chain on the continent. But besides meani…

Isn't Europe the source of almost all the tooling that goes into brand new fabs?

Nah, according to Hacker News Europe does nothing except exist and make up rules by 'bureaucrats'.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by MangoToupe »

noduerme wrote: post #138
SllX wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now there is no non-violent path to achieving that because Taiwan intends to violently and militarily resist if it comes to that. Probably with the aid of America, although I’m a lot less certain of that than 5 year ago, and it’s looking like it’s a lot more likely to be with the aid of Japan as well. Also a success by the PRC would still result in the political destruction of the Republic of China and the subj…

It should be noted that even if Taiwan's military resistance were negligible (or on the order of Tibet's), which it's not, that would not validate invading them and taking away their autonomy. For all intents and purposes, Taiwan is a self-governing nation, distinct from China precisely because it does not wish to be part of China.

Taiwan is not distinct from China. Both the ROC and the PRC view Taiwan as part of China (ironically, at the cost of the mass slaughter of taiwanese to in service of the chinese).

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by tonyhart7 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #140
riffraff wrote: post #127

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> By 2040 or so it might be more advantageous for Asian producers to just avoid our bureaucratized space altogether. in favour of what? Every other large market (China, India, USA) has extreme protectionism in place.

At least in case of India, it is in their interest to lower their trade barriers against Thailand, Viet Nam, Philippines, Indonesia etc. This region with 500 million people in it will oscillate between Chinese and Indian influence. The Chinese are more powerful and richer, so the only way in which India can compete for influence is being more friendly.

India is too busy fighting on their own sphere of influence (south asian)

china keep them in check via pakistan

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by tonyhart7 »

laughing_man wrote: post #100
constantcrying wrote: post #75

As a European I have to say I am extremely jealous of a government with the willingness of doing something as radical as this. Europe desperately needs to secure its own semi conductor supply chain. Neither the EU nor any member states seems willing to do anything about this though. Europe still is in a position, where it feasibly could control 100% of the semiconductor value chain on the continent. But besides meani…

Isn't Europe the source of almost all the tooling that goes into brand new fabs?

I think chinnese already made their own "ASML"

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by decimalenough »

MangoToupe wrote: post #146
noduerme wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that even if Taiwan's military resistance were negligible (or on the order of Tibet's), which it's not, that would not validate invading them and taking away their autonomy. For all intents and purposes, Taiwan is a self-governing nation, distinct from China precisely because it does not wish to be part of China.

Taiwan is not distinct from China. Both the ROC and the PRC view Taiwan as part of China (ironically, at the cost of the mass slaughter of taiwanese to in service of the chinese).

"One China" is a political fig leaf that allows both sides to pretend the other country doesn't exist.

Back in reality, the Republic of China (Taiwan) is fully independent from the People's Republic of China and fulfills every criteria of nationhood.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by iamacyborg »

laughing_man wrote: post #100
constantcrying wrote: post #75

As a European I have to say I am extremely jealous of a government with the willingness of doing something as radical as this. Europe desperately needs to secure its own semi conductor supply chain. Neither the EU nor any member states seems willing to do anything about this though. Europe still is in a position, where it feasibly could control 100% of the semiconductor value chain on the continent. But besides meani…

Isn't Europe the source of almost all the tooling that goes into brand new fabs?

And the bits that go into those machines are themselves globally distributed.
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