I was about to buy a Steam Frame, now I have to wait for the version with the smell feature ;-)
We Induced Smells With Ultrasound
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
maybe the ionized oxygen sensation, the ozone, the garbage and smoke are like a thin film of garbage and smoke particles in the nasal cavity experiencing mechanical stimulation. the mr guidance seems like a good idea, but the actual mount and targeting sounds crude, what are the odds it's just in the nasal cavity warming up and activating the gross stuff that lives in there? i wonder if some kind of inhalable anesthe…
Great idea for a control! Will have to try it if we set this up again..
doooooo ittttt :)
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#183I'm a little bit skeptical but i dont have any objective argument or experience in the field to justify it. I didn't want to post it, but I was surprised that almost no one in the hn comments had the same feeling. Don't get me wrong, I would love this finding to be replicable, it would be pivotal as what other nerves could we stimulate to change perception (think pain, mental health issues, loss of senses). Also, I w…
Chiming in as a reply to your comment since I had a similar feeling. There's no... institution!? No university or other institution listed. They list author names, which is something. But no institution, no paper, no heritage of research concepts. No citations outside of a few NIH ones not especially specific to their particular experiment. No real meaningful discussion of mechanisms. The domain itself doesn't have a…
Ad verecundiam. One does not need to be in a institution to come up with interesting observations/ results.
To be frank the reason that make me question it the most is how repetitive the redaction is. Seems LLM-like.
However, that's not a valid reason to discard an interesting result.
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#184I was about to buy a Steam Frame, now I have to wait for the version with the smell feature ;-)
No need to wait. It has an expansion port right over the nose for smell-o-vision.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every raving crank tells this story to themselves about how they're the next Galileo, and that they are the exception that warrants suspending our skills for critical interrogation. I think this is cool, plausible and warrants investigation, but not suspension of disbelief. There needs to be a better way to go about this than responding "what about Galileo!?" to any principled application of critical thinking.
Your offhand dismissal of citizen science with an anecdote about an endless stair video edit is not a well principled application of critical thinking. One has to set prejudice to the side and examine the claim being made to apply criticl thinking.
This is a spectacular misread of my comment on practically every level. I noted the absence of numerous contextual things we typically, appropriately(!), rely on as indicators of credibility, gave an example of unsourced video illustrating what can go wrong, and emphasized that I wasn't dismissing it outright! If this is a words-mean-things conversation then those are meaningful points you haven't even pretended to address.
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#186I'm a little bit skeptical but i dont have any objective argument or experience in the field to justify it. I didn't want to post it, but I was surprised that almost no one in the hn comments had the same feeling. Don't get me wrong, I would love this finding to be replicable, it would be pivotal as what other nerves could we stimulate to change perception (think pain, mental health issues, loss of senses). Also, I w…
Chiming in as a reply to your comment since I had a similar feeling. There's no... institution!? No university or other institution listed. They list author names, which is something. But no institution, no paper, no heritage of research concepts. No citations outside of a few NIH ones not especially specific to their particular experiment. No real meaningful discussion of mechanisms. The domain itself doesn't have a…
One retraction, this does actually have quite rich discussion of physical mechanisms. And the point at the end about open ended signal transmission is fascinating due to limited olfactory post-processing is fascinating.
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#187This seems interesting. Me wonders if this can be applied to other parts of the brain, perhaps recalling long buried memories? In my case, "a 12‑lexeme mnemonic constellation that operates as a cognitive entropy incantation, each syllabic particle mapping onto a quantized shard of an authorization singularity’s randomness reservoir. This ordered cascade of linguistic quanta serves as a deterministic bootstrap constan…
This seems like poetry
"Which it be, ye scallywag, but nay—mark me well—’tis no tavern’s tall tale. Nay, ’tis truth carved in bone and blood, a story black as the Devil’s beard, yet truthful enough to make Death himself chuckle in his coffin."
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#188Finally some progress towards smellovision.
Smells really get embedded into your conscience from early days. I remember as a kid really loving the "Smell-O-Vision" movie they had set up at La Cité des Sciences et de l’Industrie in Paris. As you watched they had little aerosol cans labeled with different scents ("baking bread" etc) that a mechanism would squirt towards the viewer.
I found this History of Smell-O-Vision paper too today:
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#189...is this safe?
This is absolutely my question as well - curious if it's legal to do this, I'm guessing yes as it's an existing ultrasound device? But is there possibility of permanent damage? It's objectively cool, but very curious about the safety as well.
What would make it illegal to do this? Generally anything which hasn't been invented yet is legal, it's rare (but not impossible) for something to be banned before it exists.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is absolutely my question as well - curious if it's legal to do this, I'm guessing yes as it's an existing ultrasound device? But is there possibility of permanent damage? It's objectively cool, but very curious about the safety as well.
What would make it illegal to do this? Generally anything which hasn't been invented yet is legal, it's rare (but not impossible) for something to be banned before it exists.
My interpretation of what I've read of "off-label" medical device use... is that I don't think that's true at all. But IANAL or medical professional.
https://human.research.wvu.edu/fda-regulated-devices-used-in...
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9. Does FDA require IRB review and approval of off-label use of a legally marketed device?
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Yes, when the off-label use of a legally marketed device is part of a research study collecting safety and effectiveness data involving human subjects, IRB review and approval is required (21 CFR 812.2(a)). For additional information on the off-label use of devices, see the FDA Information Sheet guidance, “ ‘Off-label’ and Investigational Use of Marketed Drugs, Biologics and Medical Devices.”